re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Churchill (per usual) put it best on why he was thrilled for the US to join the war and was happy about the horrors at Pearl Harbor writing this in one of his memoirs after the war:

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No American will think it wrong of me if I proclaim that to have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. I could not foretell the course of events. I do not pretend to have measured the marshall might of Japan, but now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!

England would live; Britain would live; the Commonwealth of Nations and the Empire would live. How long the war would last or in what fashion it would end, no man could tell, nor did I at this moment care. Once again in our long island history we should emerge, however mauled or mutilated, safe and victorious. We should not be wiped out. Our history would not come to an end. We might not even have to die as individuals.

Hitler’s fate was sealed. Mussolini’s fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder. All the rest was merely the proper application of overwhelming force…United we could subdue everybody else in the world. Many disasters, immeasurable cost and tribulation lay ahead, but there was no more doubt about the end.

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Seems like the older generations of leaders knew how to speak properly. Imagine Trump delivering such a message.

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Seems like the older generations of leaders knew how to speak properly. Imagine Trump delivering such a message.

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If Trump had given that exact same speech, word for word, the left wing would have immediately sided with Nazi Germany and Japan

Dang, would one of those landing ships have men on them at the time of the attack?

Its amazing how many people on this thread attempt to ruin it by diverting to other topics. I would imagine anytime they see a butterfly they are completely lost. Take your Germans to the soccer board nimwads.

I have a simple question for you military guys. How/why was that ship suddenly "within shooting distance" or "on the radar" of a missile attack? I mean it or another ship has probably been there a few days at least. Maybe a missile launcher snuck in within shooting distance? Or they just randomly saw it with a drone and got its coordinates?

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It's not like this is a new concept.

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It’s really not… thousands of international volunteers fought for the republicans in the Spanish civil war vs Franco and the fascists.

It's LIVE MAS you fricking idiot.

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Russia is going to lose this war, truthfully they already have, they just haven’t realized it yet. When Russia Sue’s for peace, Ukraine should demand the return of the eastern areas and Crimea in exchange for letting the Russian army withdraw.

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The Russians won't accept that. Ukraine will need to allow the annexation of the Donbas region and allow Russia a small part of Crimea. Here's why:

Russia's economy stalls in the winter due to their lack of warm water ports. Crimea is nearly their only warm port. A good compromise would be Ukraine allowing Russia to have the port but Ukraine gets to keep the off-shore exclusive economic zone which contains billions in O&G.

While Russia won't win they can ensure Ukraine does not win either by drawing this conflict into a perpetual state of war/instability.

A solid treaty would be:

what I just mentioned above, maybe have Russia "purchase" the land like we did in alaska and Louisiana
Ukraine declares they will not join NATO or EU but will be part of a military/trade alliance of Eastern European nations
Russia formally guarantees Ukrainian sovereignty
Russian Sanctions are lifted and EU/USA provides aid to help rebuild Ukraine. It's important for us to help rebuild because that will go a LONG way in developing long term friendly relations with Ukraine. Ukraine has the reserves to provide natural gas to Europe and act as a competitor balancing Russia's willingness to hold the EU hostage