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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:24 pm to
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:24 pm to
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I've taken more history classes than you morons combined.




I minored in History.


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Britain was begging the US to get into the war. Begging.



Yes. But FDR couldn't. He didn't have the support to engage openly in the war. After WW1, the mentality of the US was isolationist.

That's why the Conspiracy Theory exists of FDR allowing the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor instead of warning the admirals there of the impending attack. It was to garner support for entering the War.

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They were legit scared London would be lost



Of course they were.

Doesn't mean they lost just because the city was reduced to rubble.
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:25 pm to
He's called people morons in his last three posts. I think it's time to ignore this troll.
Posted by DaTruth7
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:27 pm to
I didn't start the name calling. The history genius did.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:28 pm to
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Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:29 pm to
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So Britain is fine without the US entering the war?




Possibly.


Europe as a whole? probably not.

But eventually Hitler would have eased off Britain to focus on other objectives, and then revisit that theater later.


That stubborn little island did more to weaken the Illusion of German Superiority than any other entity in that war.
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:34 pm to
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If you think Ukraine will out last Russia by itself you are moron.




Ukraine is not "by itself".



Do you not understand that?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:35 pm to
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Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:50 pm to
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Now maybe without American interference we may have gotten the unfortunate horrific reality of the Nazis inventing the atomic bomb first,




If you haven't read it yet, go find the book "The First War of Physics".

Phenomenal book about the race for the Atomic Bomb and the fear and struggle that the physicists making the discoveries faced.

REads like a Crichton Thriller. One of the best history books I've ever read.
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:52 pm to
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Germany was hopeless against Britain’s Navy and Air Force



I think it's understated how weak Germany's Navy was compared to the other big players in that War.

Only the Soviet's had a weaker won at the time.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:59 pm to
germany had no hope in actually invading the british island. they had no true capability to attempt an amphibious invasion of that scale

but its an interesting thought exercise on how britain would have come out of WW2 if america didnt get involved. they go through some real tough years as germany continues to choke them off but they dont sink enough ships to actually knock them out of the war. russia eventually beats germany and becomes the true dominant european power in the post war world order

thats when it becomes interesting as that would have probably thrown the cold war balance out of whack and who knows how that goes for the UK
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:01 am to
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Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:03 am to
we are lucky we got involved and actually landed boots in europe and took a large portion of germany. we made it easy for their scientists to defect to us as opposed to the soviets and that played such a huge role in our technological achievements during the 20th century. who knows how the cold war goes if that doesnt happen
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:04 am to
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:08 am to
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Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:08 am to
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russia eventually beats germany and becomes the true dominant european power in the post war world order



Not gauranteed.


At best, probably a stalemate, and Hitler allows the Soviets to have the original countries requested in their previous alliance.


Without the threat of the US and UK invading, which not would have happened if the US stays out of it, then Hitler can focus almost his entire military on the eastern front, and at least accomplish a ceasefire.


But having the US enter the war and help take Africa, then Italy, and then start amassing in Britain, Hitler was forced to divide his forces. The Soviets were so far behind in technology and tactics, but had such massive numbers of human fodder to throw at the Germans, that they were able to overcome the Germans. But that was after the Germans had to start fortifying the Western Front against an imminent invasion from that "Stubborn, little Island".

If Hitler can keep his focus on the East, eventually he would have defeated the Soviets.
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:17 am to
And I'm still waiting for "DaTruth" (would say this is comical, but the fact that he probably truly believes he is just makes it sad) to respond to this:

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Ukraine is receiving aid in the open. NATO is purposely revealing what they are giving the Ukrainians to fight this war.

Do you know why they would do that?




Would you like to take a shot at answering this question of mine?
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:22 am to
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Operation Paperclip is the thing I’m most conflicted about in American history. Wernher Von Braun, his brother, and Kurt Debus by any reasonable standard should have faced a firing squad for what they did in Germany, but they were geniuses that saved us.

I’m shocked there hasn’t been a comedy yet made about Operation Paperclip with a bunch of Jewish scientists having to work alongside the Paperclip scumbags. It writes itself. That actually happened, and I can only imagine how pissed and how much blood they spilt by biting their tongues over working with these people that executed their own relatives. That seems like prime dark comedy material.




There must be a scene where the Jewish scientists are discussing their revulsion fo having to work with them, and one of the scientists tells them:

"Yes, it does turn my stomach when I think of what they've done. But it also warms my heart to know that they are helping us to evaporate their own kind. Justifiable Irony, if you ask me."


And it should be a musical. In the vein of Little Shop of Horrors.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:33 am to
meanwhile, the german scientists are equally as frustrated with having to actually work with their jewish counterparts

why hasnt this been made
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:35 am to
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meanwhile, the german scientists are equally as frustrated with having to actually work with their jewish counterparts



Except at breakfast:

"Look Werhner! Nobody has touched the Bacon! This is wonderful!"
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 12:37 am to
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