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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:07 pm to
Neither are making any real gains
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:46 pm to
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Neither are making any real gains


I look at it from both sides, but honestly who thought Ukraine was going to stop the Russian invasion and then roll it back some? It’s as if a 24 point underdog is playing in the fourth quarter and is only down 7 points.

Also if reports that Russia is back to using prisoners to attack, and that they are moving towards using women in combat doesn’t paint a picture of Russia doing well in this war of attrition. Getting help from two economic giants like Iran and N Korea doesn’t seem to me like a long war will benefit them as much as people thought.
Posted by RuLSU
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 4:34 pm to
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Also if reports that Russia is back to using prisoners to attack, and that they are moving towards using women in combat doesn’t paint a picture of Russia doing well in this war of attrition. Getting help from two economic giants like Iran and N Korea doesn’t seem to me like a long war will benefit them as much as people thought.

People talk about prisons, elderly and women... but for god's sakes, Russia is forcing teenagers to work in factories!

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, led by a comedian and governed by a corrupt group of thieves.

... and Russia has brutally and critically underperformed attacking them.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 4:58 pm to
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Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 5:40 pm to
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People talk about prisons, elderly and women... but for god's sakes, Russia is forcing teenagers to work in factories!

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, led by a comedian and governed by a corrupt group of thieves.

... and Russia has brutally and critically underperformed attacking them


That's because Russia is lead by a former KGB functionary and a corrupt group of thieves. In the former USSR, nothing got done without bribes.
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:06 pm to
Unfortunately, Russia doesn’t need to “do well” in a war of attrition. They just need to do better than Ukraine, and they have far more margin for error.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 6:06 pm
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
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38722 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:08 pm to
Well said

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Unfortunately, Russia doesn’t need to “do well” in a war of attrition. They just need to do better than Ukraine, and they have far more margin for error.



We all knew this but if they cannot maintain a military they have to start thinking
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:12 pm to
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Unfortunately, Russia doesn’t need to “do well” in a war of attrition. They just need to do better than Ukraine, and they have far more margin for error.


It all depends how you define things.

Russia has conquered more territory, that’s a fact. “Grading” their progress is subjective.

Personally, I don’t think they have fond very well considering the opponent and the resources spent. And I’ve been wondering just how long they can go. Their resources are finite. Their population doesn’t seem to be gun ho and their economy isn’t the biggest.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:15 pm to
They have not fared well at all for sure, and nor have they set conditions for them to be able to accomplish what they originally set out to do.

It will end up costing them about 400k more deaths than they were anticipating for much less than they wanted to gain.

ETA: like, I cannot fathom us invading Mexico to “stop the cartels” and losing 400k soldiers, and not even accomplishing our original goal.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 6:17 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:34 pm to
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Russia has likely lost at least four long range Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) launchers to Ukrainian strikes over the last week. On 26 October 2023, Russian media reported that three Russian SA-21 launchers had been destroyed in the Luhansk region. Ukrainian sources reported additional Russian air defence losses in Crimea.

Russia has long prioritised ample, high-tech, long range SAM systems as a key component of its military strategy.

The recent losses highlight that Russia's Integrated Air Defence System continues to struggle against modern precision strike weapons and will highly likely increase the already significant strain on remaining systems and operators. There is a realistic possibility that as Russia replaces the destroyed systems in Ukraine it will weaken its air defences in other operational areas.


Sounds like Ukraine is doing all it can to soften up the Russian defenses to prepare for the arrival of F16s. Looks like they learned from their mistake of thinking western technology was so superior to Russian technology that their Leopards would just roll through the Russian defenses like the USA rolled through Iraq in 1991.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:45 pm to
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It all depends how you define things.

Russia has conquered more territory, that’s a fact. “Grading” their progress is subjective.



Russia has also lost 54% of Ukrainian territory that it controlled at the highwater mark of their invasion in late March 2022.
Posted by LSU7096
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 6:48 pm to
Most CIS countries have ex KGB leaders or their children leading their democracies
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:23 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted a missile strike on the Russian “Dnepr” Grouping of Forces headquarters in Kherson Oblast on November 1.[1] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces launched Storm Shadow cruise missiles and Neptune anti-ship missiles targeting Strilkove, Kherson Oblast, on the Arabat Spit and that Russian air defenses only intercepted half of the missiles.[2] Multiple Russian sources claimed that Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky, the recently named commander of the Russian “Dnepr” Grouping of Forces operating in the Kherson direction, was uninjured.[3] Russian opposition media outlet Astra reported that four Ukrainian missiles struck the “Aura” recreation center near Strilkove that served as the Russian Dnepr Grouping’s headquarters.[4]

Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Bakhmut and continued offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast on November 2. Geolocated footage published on November 1 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced further northeast of the railway line near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut).[5] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) directions.[6]

The Russian information space’s reaction to Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s November 1 interview and essay about the current operational environment in Ukraine was relatively muted. Several Russian sources simply summarized Zaluzhnyi’s points, while others suggested that Zaluzhnyi was primarily acknowledging the superiority of Soviet-era military strategy over NATO doctrine.[7] Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov expressed disagreement with Zaluzhnyi’s conclusions and stated that the war has not reached a “dead end.”[8]

South Korean officials reported that North Korea is reportedly increasing its weapons and ammunition transfers to Russia and has reportedly delivered more than one million artillery rounds to date.[9] South Korean lawmaker Yoo Sang-bum told reporters that the South Korean National Intelligence Service said that there have been about 10 weapon shipments from North Korea to Russia since August 2023 – totaling about one million rounds of artillery.[10] Yoo added that North Korea also sent advisers to Russia to guide Russians on the use of the munitions. South Korean Yonhap news agency reported the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) estimated that North Korea shipped about 2,000 containers of military equipment and munitions from its northeastern port of Rajin to Vladivostok in Russia’s Far East.

The Wagner Group is reportedly planning to provide Hezbollah with Pantsir-S1 air defense systems. The Wall Street Journal reported on November 2 that U.S. officials stated that intelligence indicates that Wagner plans to give Iranian-backed Lebanese Hezbollah Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems

A Russian State Duma official attempted to deny ongoing claims that Rosgvardia will structurally absorb the Wagner Group private military company (PMC), rather than individually recruit former Wagner personnel. The Head of the Russian State Duma Information Policy Committee Alexander Khinshtein denied claims on November 1 that the Wagner private military company (PMC) is structurally integrated into Rosgvardia as a PMC and is recruiting personnel for Rosgvardia.

The fate of the Wagner PMC as an entity, its assets, and its remaining personnel is unclear at this time. A former Wagner fighter also told Russian opposition outlet Verstka that former Wagner personnel are currently torn between signing contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) or Rosgvardia or returning to civilian life.[20] Russian security structures, namely the Russian MoD and Rosgvardia, are competing for Wagner PMC’s assets, likely prompting numerous contradictory statements about the fate of Wagner PMC as an entity.

Select Russian milbloggers accused Chechen officials and Akhmat Spetsnaz of attempting to defame and censor milbloggers who criticized Wagner’s integration into Rosgvardia. Some milbloggers claimed that they had a negative opinion about Wagner’s transfer to Rosgvardia and that Wagner fighters could have joined other security structures, directly criticizing the character of Rosgvardia’s Director Army General Viktor Zolotov.[21] A Wagner-affiliated milblogger amplified claims that a prominent Russian milblogger got into an altercation with Akhmat’s and Kadyrov’s “public relations people” after the milblogger criticized Wagner’s transfer to Akhmat units.[22] Russian milbloggers claimed that Kadryrov’s people began to spread rumors about the milblogger and offered money to Telegram channels in return for reposting incriminating evidence against the milblogger.[23]

Russian officials appear to be pursuing limited punishments for the October 29 antisemitic riots in the Republic of Dagestan, which several Russian officials and Russian state media have called “pogroms.” Russian authorities have arrested 15 individuals in connection with the riots at the Makhachkala airport as of November 1 and Dagestani Republic Head Sergei Melikov stated on November 1 that he dismissed the administrative head of Batyrkhanov, Dagestan, for participating in the riots.[24] Kremlin press wire TASS paraphrased Melikov as stating that only those who encroached on the lives of police officers and those who initiated the pogrom would face legal punishment.[25] Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated on November 2 that the Kremlin supports Melikov’s approach to punishing only select rioters.[26] The Head of the Spiritual Administration of the Republic of Tatarstan, Kamil Samigullin, had called on Russian authorities earlier on November 1 to show leniency towards those who fell for the “provocation” in Dagestan since outside forces allegedly organized the riots.[27] Samigullin also called the riots “pogroms” and called on Muslims in Russia not to attack Jews.[28] Telegram reportedly blocked an additional two channels on November 1 that also incited antisemitic unrest in Dagestan, following the removal of the Telegram channel that had initially promoted rumors that sparked the riots.[29] Select Russian ultranationalists criticized calls for leniency and warned that Dagestani public opinion leaders would escalate tensions in Dagestan in the absence of Kremlin control over the information space there.[30]

The Russian leadership is likely avoiding wider punishments for antisemitism in the North Caucasus out of concerns that they will inflame discontent towards the Kremlin. Russian officials have rhetorically signaled support for fighting antisemitic actions since the October 29 riots but have likely failed to convince domestic and international constituencies of Russia’s ability to protect Jews in Russia. Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) Spokesperson Maria Zakharova on November 2 condemned the Israeli travel warnings for the North Caucasus as “anti-Russian” actions and argued that Russian authorities at all levels have sufficiently dealt with the events in Dagestan.[31]

Russian authorities elsewhere in the North Caucasus have indicated concerns about the potential for similar riots. The Sunzhi City Administration in the Republic of Ingushetia announced on November 1 that Russian authorities would strengthen security at the Magas airport following the circulation of rumors about the arrival of a flight, presumably from Israel, on the night of November 1.[32] Russian state-run outlet Izvestia reported on November 1 that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) detained an unspecified number of men in the Republic of Ingushetia who were organizing a demonstration at the Magas airport for the night of October 30


Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted a missile strike on the Russian “Dnepr” Grouping of Forces headquarters in Kherson Oblast on November 1.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Bakhmut and continued offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast on November 2.

The Russian information space’s reaction to Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s November 1 interview and essay about the current operational environment in Ukraine was relatively muted.

South Korean officials reported that North Korea is reportedly increasing its weapons and ammunition transfers to Russia and has reportedly delivered more than one million artillery rounds to date.

The Wagner Group is reportedly planning to provide Hezbollah with Pantsir-S1 air defense systems.

A Russian State Duma official attempted to deny ongoing claims that Rosgvardia will structurally absorb the Wagner Group private military company (PMC), rather than individually recruit former Wagner personnel.

Select Russian milbloggers accused Chechen officials and Akhmat Spetsnaz of attempting to defame and censor milbloggers who criticized Wagner’s integration into Rosgvardia.

Russian officials appear to be pursuing limited punishments for the October 29 antisemitic riots in the Republic of Dagestan, which several Russian officials and Russian state media have called “pogroms.”

Russian authorities elsewhere in the North Caucasus have indicated concerns about the potential for similar riots.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas.

Russian irregular forces are continuing to form new assault detachments and are incentivizing recruitment by offering recruits semi-independence from the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Recent Russian border restrictions are reportedly complicating the return of Ukrainian children forcibly deported to Russia.


Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:48 pm to
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Sounds like Ukraine is doing all it can to soften up the Russian defenses to prepare for the arrival of F16s. Looks like they learned from their mistake of thinking western technology was so superior to Russian technology that their Leopards would just roll through the Russian defenses like the USA rolled through Iraq in 1991.

The equipment Ukraine has isn't going to break through.

The US Army would already be in Crimea.

Ukraine as it at its best with a strategy of hitting logistics, utilizing attritional tactics and keeping their people alive. It's slow, grueling work but it's the only hope they have.

Leave the meat waves for Russia.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:41 pm to
So, Russia apparently felt nostalgic for last winter's disastrous attacks at Vuhledar. They've done it again. Just massive losses. Here's Andrew's preliminary count from some of the videos that came out today:

quote:

Here are the losses I could identify today. There will be more to come as the Russian losses in Vuhledar are better documented in the coming days.




And, as always, Andrew provides his spreadsheet with the links to all the original videos, so that you can see them for yourself:

LINK

Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:29 pm to
Even Russia can't lose 15-20 tanks a day forever.

They're only capable of building 15-20 tanks a month, at best.

Man, Russia looks to have lost 300+ tanks since they started their offensive in October. That's unsustainable.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5654 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 5:31 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 03 November 2023

Operations in recent weeks have seen the continuation of a trend which has been identified since early in the war: other factors being equal, the balance of land combat generally favours the defending force. In the south, the Ukrainian advance remains relatively static between the two main lines of Russia's well prepared defensive positions. Around the Donbas town of Avdiivka, a large-scale Russian assault has floundered on strong Ukrainian defences.

A major factor in this phenomenon has highly likely been the relative side-lining of tactical air power: both sides have maintained credible air defences, preventing combat jets from providing effective air support for assaults.

Above all, the geographic size of the conflict has hampered the offensives: both sides have struggled to assemble uncommitted striking forces capable of a breakthrough because most of their mobilised troops are needed to hold the 1,200km line of contact.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42643 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 7:54 am to
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Above all, the geographic size of the conflict has hampered the offensives: both sides have struggled to assemble uncommitted striking forces capable of a breakthrough because most of their mobilised troops are needed to hold the 1,200km line of contact


Conventional wisdom said Russia’s superior numbers and larger army would grind Ukraine down in time, well it isn’t working that way.

Russia just took a big gamble to get back the initiative that Ukraine had taken with poor results. We hear that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel fir troops again. They are taking large amount of munitions from NK easing tensions there. SK has to love that.

What good does it do to have the big edge in population if for some political reasons you can’t access it?
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14230 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:27 am to
This is why i was lmao when it was made a big deal that hezbollah was getting a single russian system.

Israel gonna pop that turd the second it crosses the border into lebanon.
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