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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
The attack also raises the question: if Storm Shadow can reach Kerch, why hasn't the bridge been hit? There has been speculation in the past that the UK wouldn't allow Ukraine to hit the bridge.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 1:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The attack also raises the question: if Storm Shadow can reach Kerch, why hasn't the bridge been hit? There has been speculation in the past that the UK wouldn't allow Ukraine to hit the bridge.
The bridge won't survive the winter, IMO.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 3:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
It means that Ukraine has most likely received a batch of non-export variant Storm Shadows that have a 300 mile range vs the 180 mile export variant. If they did in fact get the domestic Storm Shadow then they can release from complete safety. For instance if they have the domestic Storm Shadow they can release from Kryvyi Rih and hit the Kerch Bridge with 75 miles to spare.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 3:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
I haven’t had much time lately to stay current, work has been a bitch and when I’m not in the air I was aways have something else I have to take care of. Can someone give me a small recap of what’s happened the last couple weeks? From the little I’ve seen I haven’t liked what I saw. Avdivka seems like a lost cause that will eventually be taken like Bakmhut but the Ukrainians seem to have better defenses than they did in Bakmhut so it will be even costlier for Russia. Has the southern offensive officially stalled? Thanks for whoever fills me in I appreciate it. If I were Zaluzhny though I think I would go to a more defensive position across the entire line and pull all the good armor back off the line to safety while pushing their Soviet armor and Leopard 1s, AMX-10C, etc to the front so losses wouldn’t be as devastating. Let them rest, refit and regroup while buying time for their air support coming next spring/summer.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:31 pm to LSUPilot07
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Avdivka seems like a lost cause that will eventually be taken like Bakmhut but the Ukrainians seem to have better defenses than they did in Bakmhut so it will be even costlier for Russia.
As of yesterday:
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#Avdiivka offensive equipment loss numbers as of 03 November 2023.
In summary: 209 RU losses vs. 14 UA losses
Spreadsheet showing the losses in detail:
Spreadsheet with full details of every loss
But Russia has continued to advance on the northern flank of Avdiivka -- though that progress seems to have slowed significantly. I honestly don't know if Russia is going to be able to continue to progress or not.
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Has the southern offensive officially stalled?
Yes, it's over there for now. Ukraine moved the 47th Mechanized (with its Bradleys and Leopards) away from that front to Avdiivka to help stop the Russian advance there.
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If I were Zaluzhny though I think I would go to a more defensive position across the entire line and pull all the good armor back off the line to safety while pushing their Soviet armor and Leopard 1s, AMX-10C, etc to the front so losses wouldn’t be as devastating. Let them rest, refit and regroup while buying time for their air support coming next spring/summer.
Well, that's basically what's happened. Russia is the one on the offensive now. Two days ago, Russia also tried an attack at Vuhledar (like last year's attacks) and lost about 20 total armored vehicles.
With one exception ...
Ukraine is firmly in control of Krynky on the south bank of the Dnipro and is expanding its bridgehead. Russia just relieved the general in command in that sector and replaced him.
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AMX-10C
Side note: France just gave Ukraine another 40 of these.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 4:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
Also of note: Ukraine is going through a period of some bad vibes right now.
Zaluzhny did an interview with The Economist talking about the equipment he needs to break the "stalemate." That prompted Zelensky to have to state the conflict is not in a stalemate.
There was a story in Time where someone who was supposedly an aide to Zelensky said that:
Furthermore, there is another media story that the Biden administration and European powers are telling Zelensky that he will need to soon start negotiating with Russia.
All of this stuff has been denied, of course, but the cumulative effect has been significant.
Two days ago, Zelensky also fired his general in charge of special ops. This was supposedly done at the behest of the new defense minister Rumerov. It's not a good look for Zaluzhny to get cut out of the decision-making process. Some people have speculated that the failure of the southern offensive has caused Zelensky to lose confidence in Zaluzhny.
EDIT: And today, Ukraine just had over 20 men killed at a public awards ceremony out in the open. A Russian Iskander hit during the ceremony. Just really an infuriating waste of life.
Zaluzhny did an interview with The Economist talking about the equipment he needs to break the "stalemate." That prompted Zelensky to have to state the conflict is not in a stalemate.
There was a story in Time where someone who was supposedly an aide to Zelensky said that:
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“He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
Furthermore, there is another media story that the Biden administration and European powers are telling Zelensky that he will need to soon start negotiating with Russia.
All of this stuff has been denied, of course, but the cumulative effect has been significant.
Two days ago, Zelensky also fired his general in charge of special ops. This was supposedly done at the behest of the new defense minister Rumerov. It's not a good look for Zaluzhny to get cut out of the decision-making process. Some people have speculated that the failure of the southern offensive has caused Zelensky to lose confidence in Zaluzhny.
EDIT: And today, Ukraine just had over 20 men killed at a public awards ceremony out in the open. A Russian Iskander hit during the ceremony. Just really an infuriating waste of life.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
The war is a stalemate right now. The small movement we see is not that much considering the size of Ukraine.
I think Wee Wee is right. Ukraine counter attacked before they really should have and Russia had beefed up their defenses too much.
I think Wee Wee is right. Ukraine counter attacked before they really should have and Russia had beefed up their defenses too much.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 5:26 pm to GOP_Tiger
Russian MoD officially confirms that the "Askold" was hit. With Russia confirming damage, I would suppose that the ship is a total loss.

Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
Really to me this entire thing is at a crossroads. Either make Zelensky sit down and negotiate or everyone open up their reserves and send them what they need to actually do the job. F-16s coming isn’t going to change the war but it strengthens Ukraine’s ability. What all the supporting countries need to be sending is artillery ammunition, 120 mm mortars, EW equipment to defense against UAVs, lots of counter battery radars (this is a must) and finally the most important: drones. Ukraine needs to have both surveillance and FPV kamikaze drones by the thousands. They can play defense and still harass Russia with swarms of drones as they send their meat waves straight at Ukrainian guns.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And it's long past time to take the restrictions off and let Ukraine strike targets inside Russia.
You people and the US government really should have listened to me and my sauce(s) this before the invasion in February of 2022. I got laughed off the PT board and in this thread for saying Ukraine would defeat Russia if we got off our arse and gave them the support they needed because Ukrainians f**king hate Russia.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:20 pm to WeeWee
We could send them 100 more M1A1 tanks and another 100 Bradleys out of storage and it wouldn’t even make a dent. But drones are going to be a huge deciding factor in this conflict. Ukraine needs to mass produce as many as they can and every member of NATO needs to be sending them as well.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:57 pm to WeeWee
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WeeWee
Does Ukraine have the manpower to continue this war much longer?
I can’t imagine many people who were fighting in the first six months of this war are still alive or not severely injured, and the men left the conscript without destroying what’s left of the Ukrainian workforce has to be getting small.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:28 pm to doubleb
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I think Wee Wee is right. Ukraine counter attacked before they really should have and Russia had beefed up their defenses too much.
I think that 100% the case. Since football is on it reminds me of a football analogy. There are lots of times when a "small" team has a much "bigger" team on their heals in the first half but halftime gives the P5 team time to regroup and reset. The question remains will Ukraine be Troy in 2004 or Troy in 2017. Ukraine should have continued the offensive "if practicable" to steal Lee's orders to Ewell at Gettysburg.
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The war is a stalemate right now. The small movement we see is not that much considering the size of Ukraine.
While on the surface it 100% is, however, I would proffer that no war is ever really a stalemate. While it may appear that way on the surface there is "rust" going on under the painted veneer. There is a lot going on outside of those defensive lines for both militaries at some point we will see the fruits of the labor.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:06 pm to Obtuse1
ISW Update
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that the war in Ukraine is not a “stalemate” in a comment to the media about Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s essay on the positional nature of warfare in Ukraine.[1] Zelensky stated during a joint press conference with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on November 4 that the current situation on the frontlines is “not a stalemate” even if “time has passed” and “people are tired.” Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine prioritizes the safety of its servicemen and needs US F-16 fighter aircraft and air defenses to gain an advantage over Russian forces. Zelensky recalled that many observers were quick to call the battlefield situation in 2022 “a stalemate,” but that Ukrainian forces with several “tricks, tactics, [and] military operations” were able to liberate Kharkiv Oblast and west (right) bank Kherson Oblast. Zelensky added that Russian President Vladimir Putin will not stop at Russia’s currently occupied lines and noted that Ukraine “has no right to even think about giving up.” Zelensky’s statements largely mirror the main arguments in Zaluzhnyi’s essay entitled, “Modern Positional Warfare and How to Win It.”
Zaluzhny’s long essay, “Modern Positional Warfare and How to Win It,” outlines Zaluzhnyi’s consideration of the changes Ukraine must make to overcome the current “positional” stage of the war more clearly than the shorter op-ed and the Economist article it accompanied. Zaluzhnyi wrote that the war “is gradually moving to a positional form” and noted that Ukraine needs to gain air superiority; breach mine barriers in depth; increase the effectiveness of counter-battery; create and train the necessary reserves; and build up electronic warfare (EW) capabilities to overcome positional warfare...Zaluzhnyi argued that to avoid World War I-style “trench war” and move to maneuver warfare, Ukraine must develop new approaches including technological and other changes, some of which depend on Western support and others require adaptations within the Ukrainian military, state, and society. Zaluzhnyi concluded that positional warfare benefits Russia as it prolongs the war and could allow Russia to achieve superiority in certain areas. Zaluzhnyi argued that Ukraine or Russia could return to rapid maneuver warfare under the right circumstances, which for Ukraine must include Western-provided military resources. Zaluzhnyi’s essay was all about how to restore maneuver to a positional war, not an argument that the war has reached a stalemate.
Zelensky also denied Western reports that US and European officials are pressuring Ukrainian officials to discuss the possibility of peace negotiations. NBC, citing current and former US officials, reported on November 3 that US and European officials have been “quietly” discussing the prospects of peace negotiations with Ukrainian officials
NBC added that US officials have no indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to negotiate with Ukraine or doubts that Russia can continue its war until Western aid for Ukraine falters...Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov expressed the Kremlin’s disagreement with the characterization of the war in Ukraine as a “stalemate” on November 2, stating that the war in Ukraine “has not reached a dead end” and that the Russian military continues to conduct offensive operations.[6] Russia’s offensive operations around Avdiivka indicate that the Kremin continues to believe that it is possible to achieve its objectives with military force and is unlikely to enter peace negotiations with Ukraine, except to buy time to reconstitute for future offensive operations. Pressure on Ukraine to negotiate an end to the war will likely remain meaningless if not harmful as long as Putin believes that he can achieve his objectives on the battlefield.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) allegedly used claims that the Syrian government agreed to supply weapons to Iranian-backed Lebanese Hezbollah to subsume remnants of the Wagner Group in Syria and seize their air defense systems. A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed on November 4 that Israel communicated information via diplomatic channels to Russia a few weeks ago about Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s alleged agreement to supply Iranian-backed Lebanese Hezbollah with weapons.[7] The milblogger claimed that remnants of the Wagner Group were operating in Syria under an agreement with the Syrian government and that the Russian MoD used this alleged information to pressure the Syrian government to allow the Russian MoD to force Wagner fighters in Syria to transfer their weapons to and sign contracts with the Russian MoD. The milblogger claimed that the Russian MoD seized a Pantsir-S1 air defense system from Wagner personnel near Palmyra, Syria
Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on November 3 and 4. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses downed two Shahed-131/136 drones targeting Sumy Oblast on the night of November 3 to 4 and three Iskander-K cruise missiles targeting Dnipropetrovsk and Poltava oblasts on the evening of November 4.[10] The Russian MoD claimed that Russian forces struck a Ukrainian weapons and ammunition arsenal in Pryluky, Chernihiv Oblast.[11] Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces also targeted Ukrainian rear areas, including the Kanatove airfield, Kirovohrad Oblast; Myrhorod, Poltava Oblast; Kharkiv City, Kharkiv Oblast; Dnipro City, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast; Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast; Odesa Oblast; and Lviv Oblast.[12]
Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on November 4. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) and Bakhmut directions.[13] Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced along the forest line north of Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) and are gaining a foothold in the area.[14]
English-language Russian outlet the Moscow Times reported that the Russian government dismissed TASS General Director Sergei Mikhailov on July 5 due to TASS’s failure to align with Kremlin narratives while reporting on the Wagner Group rebellion. The Moscow Times cited anonymous Russian government officials, including from the presidential administration and the State Duma, as stating that the Kremlin dismissed Mikhailov because TASS’s coverage of the Wagner rebellion did not paint Russian authorities in a favorable light and did not include enough pro-Kremlin coverage...Putin previously awarded Mikhailov the Order of Friendship in 2021 for his professional successes and “many years of conscientious work.”[17]
The Russian government is testing an electronic voting system ahead of the 2024 presidential elections, likely to further support efforts to manipulate the results in favor of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Russian opposition outlet Meduza reported on November 4 that the Russian government services portal Gosuslugi sent letters inviting Russian citizens, including Meduza employees, to test the remote electronic system on November 15-17. The letters also stated that all adult Russian citizens are eligible to participate in the test.[18] The Russian government officially announced the tests on October 31, and Meduza reported that a government source stated that the Russian government intends to have as many Russian federal subjects utilize electronic voting as possible in the presidential election.[19] These public election preparations are notable as Putin has not announced his official campaign and Russian state media has not yet begun posturing Putin as the only viable candidate.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:07 pm to StormyMcMan
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that the war in Ukraine is not a “stalemate” in a comment to the media about Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s essay on the positional nature of warfare in Ukraine.
Zaluzhny’s long essay, “Modern Positional Warfare and How to Win It,” outlines Zaluzhnyi’s consideration of the changes Ukraine must make to overcome the current “positional” stage of the war more clearly than the shorter op-ed and Economist article it accompanied.
Zelensky also denied Western reports that US and European officials are pressuring Ukrainian officials to discuss the possibility of peace negotiations.
NBC added that US officials have no indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to negotiate with Ukraine or doubts that Russia can continue its war until Western aid for Ukraine falters.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) allegedly used claims that the Syrian government agreed to supply weapons to Iranian-backed Lebanese Hezbollah to subsume remnants of the Wagner Group in Syria and seize their air defense systems.
Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on November 3 and 4.
Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on November 4.
English-language Russian outlet the Moscow Times reported that the Russian government dismissed TASS General Director Sergei Mikhailov on July 5 due to TASS’s failure to align with Kremlin narratives while reporting on the Wagner Group rebellion.
The Russian government is testing an electronic voting system ahead of the 2024 presidential elections, likely to further support efforts to manipulate the results in favor of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, north and south of Bakhmut, around Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, near Vuhledar, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in eastern and western Zaporizhia Oblast, and advanced in various sectors of the front.
The BBC and Russian opposition media outlet Mediazona confirmed that at least 35,780 Russian servicemen have died in the war in Ukraine since February 24, 2022, as of November 3, 2023, including 923 deaths in the past two weeks.
Russian authorities continue efforts to settle Russian citizens in occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 8:28 pm to Obtuse1
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While on the surface it 100% is, however, I would proffer that no war is ever really a stalemate. While it may appear that way on the surface there is "rust" going on under the painted veneer. There is a lot going on outside of those defensive lines for both militaries at some point we will see the fruits of the labor.
I agree. But I also think that neither side is likely to be able to create a breakthrough unless:
1) Ukraine gets significantly enhanced offensive capabilities. That means unitary-warhead ATACMS, F-16s, lots more 155mm shells (European production has lagged promises), etc.
2) Ukraine significantly attrits Russian forces. Ukraine can do this because it has superior artillery, HIMARS, Storm Shadow, ATACMS, cluster munitions, etc. This might take a year or so, though.
or,
3) The West gives up on supporting Ukraine, and Russia grinds Ukrainian troops down. After steadily advancing in the Donbas and Ukrainian political turmoil, Russia forces Ukraine to agree to a humiliating peace treaty.
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
Any deal that prevents Ukraine from joining the EU is unacceptable.
Any deal that prevents Ukraine from joining NATO is likely unacceptable.
Any deal that prevents Ukraine from joining NATO is likely unacceptable.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:38 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Does Ukraine have the manpower to continue this war much longer?
Yes. Ukraine has millions of military age males who can be conscripted. Unlike Russia which has to be careful about who it conscripts to avoid upsetting its populace, Ukrainians hate Russia and will fight until they win or run out of bullets.
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I can’t imagine many people who were fighting in the first six months of this war are still alive or not severely injured, and the men left the conscript without destroying what’s left of the Ukrainian workforce has to be getting small.
You’re wrong. Ukraine had 200,000 active duty servicemen in February 2022 and 900,000 reservists. Ukraine has lost 150,000-200,000 troops since then. It still has plenty of men and plenty of veterans.
This post was edited on 11/4/23 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:46 pm to StormyMcMan
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The Russian Ship Karakurt-class ship “Askold” was struck by 3 missiles today (likely Storm Shadow Cruise Missiles) at the shipbuilding yard in Kerch, Crimea The new ship was launched in 2021, it can carry up to 8 Kalibr ot Onyx missiles and has a Pantsir-M air defense system
Looks like Russia has lost another warship to a nation with no navy.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 3:22 am to WeeWee
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 05 November 2023
As winter approaches, eyewitness accounts from deployed Russian troops in Ukraine suggests that the soldier's age-old battle against the elements remains a major preoccupation for Russia's army.
On 1 November 2023, recently returned Russian soldiers speaking at the Ogakov Readings military affairs conference in Moscow described being "wet from head to toe" for weeks on end on the front line. One soldier highlighted that the risk of fire alerting Ukrainian forces meant that they "couldn't even boil a mug of tea". They highlighted living and eating "monotonous" food in pervasive mud.
Maintaining a decent level of personal comfort and sound administration in defensive positions is challenging for any army. However, open-source evidence suggests a generally very poor level on enforcement of basic field administration amongst Russian forces. This is likely partially caused by a deficit in motivated junior commanders as well as variable logistical support.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 05 November 2023
As winter approaches, eyewitness accounts from deployed Russian troops in Ukraine suggests that the soldier's age-old battle against the elements remains a major preoccupation for Russia's army.
On 1 November 2023, recently returned Russian soldiers speaking at the Ogakov Readings military affairs conference in Moscow described being "wet from head to toe" for weeks on end on the front line. One soldier highlighted that the risk of fire alerting Ukrainian forces meant that they "couldn't even boil a mug of tea". They highlighted living and eating "monotonous" food in pervasive mud.
Maintaining a decent level of personal comfort and sound administration in defensive positions is challenging for any army. However, open-source evidence suggests a generally very poor level on enforcement of basic field administration amongst Russian forces. This is likely partially caused by a deficit in motivated junior commanders as well as variable logistical support.
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