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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:01 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:01 pm to StormyMcMan
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Just my personal opinion on this but with the focus on Kharkiv and the East, Im not sure if Ukraine has the man power at present to launch an offensive there. Which makes matters worse because the Russians are starting to dig in along the line of control. So if Ukraine is successful in the East the could hopefully just drive in behind those lines like Russia has in its drive from Popasna. But if not, then it might be stalemate for some time on that front sadly
Ukraine will have the man power in two months or so. Right now they are working down the eastern side of the country in a clockwise fashion Kiev => Sumy => Kharkiv = > Vovchansk. It looks like both sides are content with a stalemate in Kherson.
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Russians are starting to dig in along the line of control.
I expect Ukraine to advance on Kherson later this summer and when they do they will advance down the E105 on the eastern side of the Dnieper river from their GLOC hub at Dnipro towards Metiplol. Metiplol is the key to whole land bridge to Crimea and if it falls Kherson is worthless to the Russians.
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:01 pm to StormyMcMan
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Also a GAZ pickup equipped with an AGS-17 grenade launcher. LINK
On my phone so can't post the picture, but Russia starting to look like the JV team out of Syria
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:03 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russia to cut off electricity supplies to Baltic states on May 21.
Baltic states or Nordic states?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:29 pm to Palmetto98
Russian radar anomaly
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Russian radar operators monitoring the situation in Ukraine reported two mysterious large circles in the city of Kyiv earlier this morning. After some investigation, Russian intelligence concluded they were not military formations or aircraft, but simply Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's massive balls.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:30 pm to Mr Happy
The Bee getting in on the action now. 
ETA: From February, but still funny.
ETA: From February, but still funny.
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At publishing time, Zelensky had shielded thousands of Ukrainian citizens from bomb and missile strikes by telling them to simply hide under the shadow of his gigantic testicles.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:46 pm to WeeWee
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Well to be fair to the Japanese. They were exhausted as a nation and cut off from their colonies in south eastern Asia by the US Navy. The only way Japan was even getting the meager supplies it was getting in August 1945 was by ships being able to sneak across the Sea of Japan from Korea. Those ships were carrying food and supplies from China. The Red Army threatened to cut that supply line and Japan couldn’t stop them. The reason the Japanese couldn’t stop the Red Army was because it had stripped its military in China bare to protect the home islands. There are stories of Japanese soldiers in China at the end of the war surrendering with no food and just ammo to keep the Chinese population from attacking them ( < 10 rounds per soldier).
We’re on the same page, you just provided more detail. Point being, the original comment about capturing major cities vs not on final outcomes in war using the two Sino Japanese Wars is not a good comparison. In fact, it refutes his own point relative to the current Russo-Ukrainian War.
That’s exactly my point, just in more detail. None of this existed in the first Sino Japanese war because Japan was just focused on China and no real external help for China. Not the case the second go round which occurred within WWII. Everything you just said is a product of US and Soviet involvement in China (USSR) and pacific islands approaching Japan (US). None of that existed the first go round.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
US-supplied howitzers to Ukraine lack accuracy-aiding computers
Dozens of artillery systems supplied by the United States to Ukraine were not fitted with advanced computer systems, which improve the efficiency and accuracy of the weapons, ABC News has learned.
The M777 155mm howitzers are now being used by the Ukrainian military in its war with Russia.
The Pentagon did not deny that the artillery pieces were supplied without the computers but said it had received "positive feedback" from the Ukrainians about the "precise and highly effective" weapons.
That positive sentiment was echoed by a Ukrainian politician, who spoke to ABC News on condition of anonymity. However, the politician also expressed frustration that the artillery pieces had not been the fitted with the digital computer systems.
If fitted to a howitzer, the digital computer system enables the crew operating the weapon to quickly and accurately pinpoint a target.
Howitzers without a computer system can still be fired accurately, using traditional methods to calculate the angle needed to hit a target. Modern computer systems, however, rule-out the possibility of human error.
Why the artillery pieces supplied to Ukraine did not have the digital targeting technology installed is unclear. The Pentagon said it would not discuss individual components "for operational security reasons."
Yahoo News
Dozens of artillery systems supplied by the United States to Ukraine were not fitted with advanced computer systems, which improve the efficiency and accuracy of the weapons, ABC News has learned.
The M777 155mm howitzers are now being used by the Ukrainian military in its war with Russia.
The Pentagon did not deny that the artillery pieces were supplied without the computers but said it had received "positive feedback" from the Ukrainians about the "precise and highly effective" weapons.
That positive sentiment was echoed by a Ukrainian politician, who spoke to ABC News on condition of anonymity. However, the politician also expressed frustration that the artillery pieces had not been the fitted with the digital computer systems.
If fitted to a howitzer, the digital computer system enables the crew operating the weapon to quickly and accurately pinpoint a target.
Howitzers without a computer system can still be fired accurately, using traditional methods to calculate the angle needed to hit a target. Modern computer systems, however, rule-out the possibility of human error.
Why the artillery pieces supplied to Ukraine did not have the digital targeting technology installed is unclear. The Pentagon said it would not discuss individual components "for operational security reasons."
Yahoo News
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:05 pm to cypher
I read an article somewhere a week or so ago that talked about this. It said something along the lines of Ukraine couldn't utilize the targeting system because they lacked the rest of that system, so we removed the related components from the guns.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:12 pm to Chromdome35
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It said something along the lines of Ukraine couldn't utilize the targeting system because they lacked the rest of that system, so we removed the related components from the guns.
So then I'm curious as to why they lack the rest of the system
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:25 pm to Obtuse1
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Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for 70 years and didn’t affect America one iota.
I don't wade into ad hominem lightly but that has to be one of the most moronic tone-deaf sentences I have read in quite some time. There is no use discussing anything with someone so divorced from reality.
What is it I said that is inaccurate? The fact is, whether you like it or not, Ukraine's fate has little to know bearing on the United States. Now, you can argue that your moral outrage or feelings is worth our country expending massive amounts of it's capital to help Ukraine. Or, you can look at the realpolitik situation and come to the conclusion it's not our fight. No matter who wins we'll still do business with them. Not going to affect the United States to any great degree.
If you are for intervention in Ukraine you had better not ever so much as peeped about our involvement in Vietnam, the influence of the MIC, GWB and the War on Terror, etc.
I don't know why it's so hard for Ukraine fanboys on here to grasp the concept that you can oppose intervention in this conflict while at the same time cheering every time the Russkies fail miserably. I think Putin is a bag of shite. I think the Zelensky regime are corrupt grifters. There is nothing on either side to me warranting us sending a single cent.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:25 pm to cypher
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So then I'm curious as to why they lack the rest of the system
I'd assume it's because of export control policies.
There are certain weapon systems and components we don't share with even our closest allies like the UK.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:28 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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There is nothing on either side to me warranting us sending a single cent.
That's because you are unable to comprehend second and third order effects.
Russia taking Ukraine would cause massive ripples across the globe, both economically and politically.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:40 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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concept that you can oppose intervention in this conflict while at the same time cheering every time the Russkies fail miserably.
Ahh yes… the fairy tale pipe dream fantasy land scenario… who wouldn’t want to have good things happen without having to do anything?
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:03 pm to cypher
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So then I'm curious as to why they lack the rest of the system
Probably has to do with their communications mostly being made up of stuff that is not from NATO. Per my former roommate, the difference in Ukrainian communication and the Russians is that the Ukrainians are using end to end encrypted apps to make calls and send texts, burner sim cards, and they are using codes for radio talk. It’s 3 months into the war and Russia is still not doing any of that.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:04 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I think the Zelensky regime are corrupt grifters.
Ukraine has all of Russians problems, except worse. The political class there is very venal.
Zelensky is the Jewish oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi‘s man.
Kolomoyskyi also funds a number of right wing militia, include the Azov.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Zelensky is the Jewish oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi‘s man.
There it is. It's always about the Jews for you people isn't it?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:35 pm to cypher
You have to keep some things to yourself and this is one of those things. Just like when we export fighter jets and didn’t always include the look down shoot down radars in them. Even without the computer system those artillery pieces are still head and shoulders above anything they have on either side of that battle field. That along with the German self propelled howitzer PzH 2000 that they received are better than anything Putin can field right now. At some point I think the Ukrainians have to make an offensive to try and cut the Russian’s supply lines to the Donbas. They just destroyed a main railway but if they could somehow cut their main artery of supply is their best chance to hold the Donbas territory.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:16 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
STFU with your communist lies.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:51 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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What is it I said that is inaccurate?
Jesus fricking Christ you are slower than a snail on quaaludes. You stated:
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Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for 70 years and didn’t affect America one iota.
Uttering that statement much less doubling down on it is more incomprehensible than a flat earth argument. Are you a Cold War denier? It was a strategic cornerstone of the Soviet's power. You clearly have no idea about the importance Ukraine had and potentially does.
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There is nothing on either side to me warranting us sending a single cent.
Because you are a one dimensional thinker. There is nothing wrong with this as it can be a benefit in some pursuits or occupations, just not geopolitics. In that realm you have to keep track of all the balls and all the intended consequences and myriad unintended consequences of even the most subtle actions and inactions.
The bottom line is when you build your argument on the alleged fact that "Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for 70 years and didn’t affect America one iota" it can support nothing and every word typed after that is futile.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:57 pm to Centinel
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That's because you are unable to comprehend second and third order effects. Russia taking Ukraine would cause massive ripples across the globe, both economically and politically.
The irony
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