re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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BREAKING: Russian-appointed "governor" of occupied #Kherson Volodymyr Saldo said Kherson in #Ukraine will “soon become part” of the Russian Federation.
Beside the absurdity, this is a bad move for #Russia.

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Good thread on the current situation around Popasna.

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3 more Russian BTGs are relocating to the area of Popasna also to support the push.
"hot there and that 3 Russian BTGs were going there."

Ukrainian forces are fighting hard the situation is difficult, big casualties on each side.

Finally there is also elements of 46th Ukrainian brigade around the area, however their main area of defence is around Kramatorsk so I think its unlikely they will be able to divert necessary forces.

Ukrainian 30th Brigade is currently fighting also south west of Popasna, I expect some elements of this brigade will travel north to help the 24th.

They are trying to do a similar manoeuvre to the town of Troits'ke. Bypass fortified eastern defences and attack from the north.

Some elements of Ukrainian 115th militia brigade is also reportedly in the area however they are having problems and were pushed away due to lack of armour and artillery.

"Situation is very dangerous, Russians have brought airborne units and naval infantry units" However they are not very tank heavy units more like light infantry. Leading most of the attacking is the Russian 57th brigade followed by Wagner.

On the ground report: The reasons why the Russians took Trypillya is because they were able to flank it from behind. The Ukrainians heavily fortified the town in expectation Russians would attack it before Volodymyrivka but instead Russians bypassed it and attacked it from behind

Russians are attacking Ukrainian positions west of Popasna from "the flank". They are essentially attacking the concrete fortifications from their most vulnerable sides which is why they are making some progress.

At the moment around Severodonetsk city there is very few Russian Army units most are Separatist forces. The purpose of the Separatist forces is to pin down Ukrainian 57th and 56th brigade so they cannot help the 24th in Popasna.

Russians are pushing towards Soledar, heavy fighting is happening around the town.

Bakhmut-Lysychansk road is now under direct fire from Russian artillery

Even in the Popasna direction Russians have only advanced 22 km in 86 days of the offensive. That is an embarrassing number, and although they are making progress it is minimal if you look at the grand scheme of things.

Please remember, Russians are now claiming very small victories compared to their original plan of capturing the whole of Ukraine. They parade capturing small towns like it is some victory when in reality they have taken hundreds of losses and made a kilometre of ground.

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Russia-Ukraine Conflict by lowspark12
Just leave the troll alone.

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Yes, kept on topic please. War news, strategy takes, reports on what’s going on, etc. are fine. Arguing about which side is right belongs on the other board.

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There are various techniques to help this along - ridiculing those who discuss the war, unstickying threads that discuss the war,

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So OT moderation is helping Putin???

This thread spends seems to spend half its time ridiculing posters with different opinions and another board, and I doubt unstickying a thread is going to do anything to opinions one way or the other. At this point whether or not it pops up often to stay near top is more indicative of people’s interest in topic. It also draws attention when it pops up versus being stuck on top and ignored after awhile. Also new info with a new post and updated subject also bring attention that something has happened versus same people discussing same stuff in a 3 month old stickied thread.

As far as costs we should be concerned
as well as about ability to track weapons at least better than we have as amount increases and make sure money used properly. We should be doing that for most things, but especially when congress adds billions on top of President’s request. Paying attention to costs as well as being concerned with increasing amounts doesn’t mean one automatically opposes it. Every amount is either a loan or printing more money, and both affect us.

You can be anti-Putin / anti-Russia and support Ukraine including helping them some while still having a negative opinion about Ukraine govt in general.

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The measure, which officials have said is designed to last through September, tripled the size of the initial $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid that lawmakers approved shortly after the February invasion.

The combined $54 billion price tag exceeds what the U.S. has spent annually on all its military and economic foreign assistance in recent years, and approaches Russia’s yearly military budget.

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How strongly supported is that salient across from Stari Saltiv?

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So how does taking Kiev end the war then smart arse?

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Zelensky and his team didn’t go into exile and Ukraine doesn’t have doomsday planes. Take Kyiv it’s done, which Russia failed to do.

Rewind to WWII Hitler only needed to get to Paris, not Toulouse, to gain control of France (either via direct occupation or through the puppet government of Vichy France).

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Zelensky and his team didn’t go into exile and Ukraine doesn’t have doomsday planes. Take Kyiv it’s done, which Russia failed to do. Rewind to WWII Hitler only needed to get to Paris, not Toulouse, to gain control of France (either via direct occupation or through the puppet government of Vichy France).

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Or Zelensky just moves his regime to Lviv, and shouts that Ukraine has not fallen and will fight on like any other government. The fall of France is a unique scenario because 9 times out of 10, taking a capital doesn’t end the war.

Instead, let’s review the first and second Sino Japanese wars.

First war: Japan defeats the living shvt out of the Chinese army and navy and doesn’t even capture Beijing and wins

Second war: Japan captures the capital Nanjing, Beijing, Wuhan, Shanghai, and every fricking relevant city in the book and still loses the war.

That’s not enough to convince you? The Nazis captured all of these cities and territories and still lost! Wait, let’s bring it over here to the USA where the British captured all of these cities and still lost.

Defeating armies and capturing strategic objectives wins wars, not annexing cities. Only time this capture the capital city and win the war scenario works is if you are fighting a weak government like Suddham or WW2 France.

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The whole Kiev thing was a bait and switch because Russia doesn’t need Kiev to win the war at all. This whole annex Ukraine thing was a western trap.

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Second war: Japan captures the capital Nanjing, Beijing, Wuhan, Shanghai, and every fricking relevant city in the book and still loses the war

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This war has a third party (the USA) doing the dirty work with their own troops following Pearl Harbor. China is still under Japanese control if we say Frick it and keep selling oil to Japan, leading to them never attacking the USA directly.

That being said, Beijing and Nanjing still lost. They were replaced by CCP entities during the Chinese civil war (which was ongoing prior to WWII, paused, and then just continued afterward).