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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:50 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:50 pm to Chromdome35
Good news... Ukrainians going back home...
NPR
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In February and March, refugees waited for hours or days there to cross into Poland. Now, the flow has reversed. The long lines are on the Polish side of the border filled with people waiting to cross into Ukraine.
Anna Kobernyk and her friends have been waiting in a van for six hours, parked in a line of vehicles almost 10 miles long.
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Weeks after the war began, the Medyka border crossing was filled with refugees leaving Ukraine. People wept, afraid that they were departing their country forever, not knowing if they would even have a country to return to.
Now, even though there is still death and fighting in Ukraine's south and east, the scene here at the Polish border has lost the panic and fear it once had.
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"These people really love Ukraine," she says. "I'm very happy because I really want to [return] to my house, to my husband, to my mother, to my dog Brooklyn."
This crossing no longer feels like a fork in life where there's no turning back.
On the vehicle path of the border, double-decker buses idle bumper to bumper, waiting for the border guard to signal when it's their turn to cross the border.
The signs on their dashboards say they've begun their journeys in Poland, Germany, Italy, and places even farther west.
Some of the destination cities are Kyiv, Lviv, and Ivano-Frankivsk — all in Ukraine.
NPR
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 12:55 pm
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:53 pm to dallastigers
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So OT moderation is helping Putin???
Of course not.
Removing the sticky just made things less convenient.
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This thread spends seems to spend half its time ridiculing posters with different opinions and another board, and I doubt unstickying a thread is going to do anything to opinions one way or the other
Yes, there’s too much of that in this thread. But I still maintain that arguing over the politics should go on the other board.
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As far as costs we should be concerned
I agree.
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You can be anti-Putin / anti-Russia and support Ukraine including helping them some while still having a negative opinion about Ukraine govt in general.
Certainly
Good post
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:02 pm to BRIllini07
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This war has a third party (the USA) doing the dirty work with their own troops following Pearl Harbor. China is still under Japanese control if we say Frick it and keep selling oil to Japan, leading to them never attacking the USA directly. That being said, Beijing and Nanjing still lost. They were replaced by CCP entities during the Chinese civil war (which was ongoing prior to WWII, paused, and then just continued afterward).
When did the US invade Japanese controlled China and liberate it? Last time I checked, the war started in 1937 and US got involved in WW2 in 1941. In addition, the fall of Nanking occurred in 1937. Japan lost its momentum and started suffering manpower and logistical issues in 1939, STILL BEFORE 1941! Japan’s strategy to annex China was a huge failure and it destroyed their performance against the US, not the other way around.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:29 pm to Palmetto98
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First war: Japan defeats the living shvt out of the Chinese army and navy and doesn’t even capture Beijing and wins
Second war: Japan captures the capital Nanjing, Beijing, Wuhan, Shanghai, and every fricking relevant city in the book and still loses the war.
They lost the second time because they weren’t solely focused on China, had Russia in China running them out and us coming through the pacific to mainland Japan. You can’t just ignore the difference here. I hope the irony of Ukraine having external support here and Russia’s performance isn’t lost on you.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:42 pm to DabosDynasty
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They lost the second time because they weren’t solely focused on China, had Russia in China running them out and us coming through the pacific to mainland Japan. You can’t just ignore the difference here. I hope the irony of Ukraine having external support here and Russia’s performance isn’t lost on you.
Now you’re just making shvt up at this point lol. Russia was dealing with Germany and Finland, so idk why this is even a mention?Japan attacked China First, not second, not third…First! The war literally went on for four years before the US even declared war. By the time US declared war, Japan was cracking in China due to attrition, manpower shortage, and failure to fully control all of the cities it was capturing.
Russia steam rolling Eastern and western Ukraine would’ve most likely ended up in this exact situation in the more hostile hilly western Ukraine much much much closer to NATO borders.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:01 pm to Palmetto98
Didn't the flying Tigers go to China in 1937 or 38. Proxy warriors I believe for China, flying American war planes.
Not sure of the exact date. We were involved way before Pearl Harbor.
Not sure of the exact date. We were involved way before Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:22 pm to Pfft
Chennault had been a military advisor in China since 1937. He began recruiting for the AVG in 1940. They began arriving in Burma in July 1941 and were operational by late November, although they didn't begin fling combat missions until after Pearl Harbor. By mid 1942 the Army Air Force had taken over and the AVG was disbanded.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:27 pm to Palmetto98
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Now you’re just making shvt up at this point lol. Russia was dealing with Germany and Finland, so idk why this is even a mention?Japan attacked China First, not second, not third…First! The war literally went on for four years before the US even declared war. By the time US declared war, Japan was cracking in China due to attrition, manpower shortage, and failure to fully control all of the cities it was capturing.
Hitler attacked Poland “First!” Did he lose the war because of Poland or the other countries who joined the fight on Poland s side, both of Hitler’s own choice (USSR) or not US?
You may want to Google the red army in China in WWII. They scared the shite out of Hirohito. He was ready to surrender twice because of it BEFORE we dropped the nukes.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:23 pm to DabosDynasty
With all this talk about Finland joining NATO I think it's time we all remember that Finland probably doesn't even exist and the West is just using this as an way to upset Russia more...or something
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:30 pm to StormyMcMan
A poster in this thread made that didn’t they? 
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:32 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:41 pm to StormyMcMan
I have never met a Finnish person that didn't like cheese dip. Specifically queso Blanco not that yellow shite you get in Colorado. Then again I've never met a Finnish person. Hard to believe they even exist.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:43 pm to StormyMcMan
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Even in the Popasna direction Russians have only advanced 22 km in 86 days of the offensive. That is an embarrassing number, and although they are making progress it is minimal if you look at the grand scheme of things.
That is about 0.25 km per day. The Russians only have to go 50 km from the front lines around Soledar to link up with the separatist forces north of Severodonetsk. It should only take them 6.5 months to do that. Severodonetsk by New Years should be the Russians rallying cry.
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Please remember, Russians are now claiming very small victories compared to their original plan of capturing the whole of Ukraine. They parade capturing small towns like it is some victory when in reality they have taken hundreds of losses and made a kilometre of ground.
Exactly. Lima Whiskey’s communists arse is acting like the Russians capturing a village overnight is going to trap the Ukrainians and allow Russia to win this war by Friday after next at the latest.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:44 pm to Palmetto98
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Defeating armies and capturing strategic objectives wins wars, not annexing cities.
Guaranteed that you’ve posted ITT saying Russia is winning because they took over a city. You’re just making this up as you go along.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:47 pm to WeeWee
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Exactly. Lima Whiskey’s communists arse is acting like the Russians capturing a village overnight is going to trap the Ukrainians and allow Russia to win this war by Friday after next at the latest.
Which is hilarious because he also said territory is just land you put a flag on and doesn’t actually matter… in the context of Russia being forced out of Kharkiv of course.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:48 pm to REG861
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Great spot from @UAWeapons, seems like the US is supplying Ukraine with seized Iranian arms that were originally bound for Yemen.
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#Ukraine: Apparently, we were right in asserting that Ukraine is receiving Iranian weapons seized from the Houthis by the United States - here we see a pristine Iranian mortar in the hands of the Ukrainian army.
LINK LINK
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:48 pm to StormyMcMan
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BREAKING: Russian-appointed "governor" of occupied #Kherson Volodymyr Saldo said Kherson in #Ukraine will “soon become part” of the Russian Federation.
Beside the absurdity, this is a bad move for #Russia.
I'm still waiting on the offensive for Ukraine to take back Kherson. It seems the people have been liberating themselves ( at risk to lives).
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:51 pm to sugar71
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I'm still waiting on the offensive for Ukraine to take back Kherson. It seems the people have been liberating themselves ( at risk to lives).
Just my personal opinion on this but with the focus on Kharkiv and the East, Im not sure if Ukraine has the man power at present to launch an offensive there. Which makes matters worse because the Russians are starting to dig in along the line of control. So if Ukraine is successful in the East the could hopefully just drive in behind those lines like Russia has in its drive from Popasna. But if not, then it might be stalemate for some time on that front sadly
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:52 pm to DabosDynasty
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You may want to Google the red army in China in WWII. They scared the shite out of Hirohito. He was ready to surrender twice because of it BEFORE we dropped the nukes.
Well to be fair to the Japanese. They were exhausted as a nation and cut off from their colonies in south eastern Asia by the US Navy. The only way Japan was even getting the meager supplies it was getting in August 1945 was by ships being able to sneak across the Sea of Japan from Korea. Those ships were carrying food and supplies from China. The Red Army threatened to cut that supply line and Japan couldn’t stop them. The reason the Japanese couldn’t stop the Red Army was because it had stripped its military in China bare to protect the home islands. There are stories of Japanese soldiers in China at the end of the war surrendering with no food and just ammo to keep the Chinese population from attacking them ( < 10 rounds per soldier).
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:59 pm to WeeWee
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?? Russia to cut off electricity supplies to Baltic states on May 21.
Supplies will be suspended as pan-European electricity exchange Norwegian Nord Pool halted trading with Russian state utility Inter RAO due to the risk of non-payment of electricity from Russia.
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