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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:04 am to DabosDynasty
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:04 am to DabosDynasty
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Massive battles today, conventional combat like this has not been seen since world war 2.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1527972259343876101
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Russians have destroyed one of the three bridges leading out of Severodonetsk, the decision will soon come to stay and defend or to evacuate positions.
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Severodonetsk Update-Russian forces are attacking mainly from the northern and south east directions. Most of their attacks are concentrated along the roads leading into Severodonetsk. They have notably reached bus stations south east of the city where heavy fighting rages
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:04 am to CitizenK
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True but at great cost. Meanwhile Ukraine is expanding a river crossing with threat of cutting off all supply routes to Northeastern offensives by Russia.
They are threatening to cut off the main supply route at Vovchansk. That is the only direct rail and road connection from the main Russian supply hub at Belgorod to Izium. Once that supply line is cut then Russia has either to divert supplies over 150 km over one 2-lane highway or send them on 750 km detour by rail. Ukraine’s forces are also about 50 km from where all the supply lines converge. Idk why Ukraine is not advancing straight on that one but I am also not a general on the ground or in command in Ukraine.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:17 am to WeeWee
It sounds as though the government in Kyiv is going to have to make some difficult decisions in the next 24-48 hours.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:18 am to Chromdome35
A couple of reports indicating that the Ukrainians are attacking northwest of Izyum and that they have put a pontoon bridge across the river.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1527966142630854657
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1527959251221630976
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1527966142630854657
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Particularly the north west side of the forest west of Izyum there is heavy fighting as Ukrainians try to push across the river.
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1527959251221630976
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Mini??. Images from sentinel shows a possible UA bridge crossing over the Siverskyi Donets river, close to Chepil, Izium area. I noticed this on 16/5 and after looking at radar images I determined it was possibly launched the same day. So I decided not to post it.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:24 am to WeeWee
It looks like that just north of Izyum (Bottom 3rd of map dead center) the Ukrainians flanking attack is progressing.
Also the bridgeheads Ukraine established on the River to the east of Kharkiv are expanding.
Also the bridgeheads Ukraine established on the River to the east of Kharkiv are expanding.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:36 am to DabosDynasty
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Sure wish this thread had been restickied so it didn’t fall off the first page…
Agreed. We just have to keep RA'ing to have it done.
Just sent my RA.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:59 am to cypher
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Zelensky to consider returning to line on Feb 23, 2022 as victory President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed that he would consider the return to the line on February 23, 2022 a victory.
That’s probably a good stopping point in my opinion. From everything I read Crimea was fairly pro-Russian pre-war, and Russia has had 8 years to build up defenses there.
It might take some time to measure what the sentiment is post-war. Also post war, the Russian economy may be reeling, increasing the chances of internal unrest while Ukraine becomes further integrated with Greater Europe and the West. All told the political landscape of Ukraine/Russia in say, 2027, may be better for re-annexation than what exists now.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:21 pm to AU86
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It sounds as though the government in Kyiv is going to have to make some difficult decisions in the next 24-48 hours.
Well cutting the supply lines to the northern Izyum is probably more important than preventing the the Russians from advancing on Severodonetsk on the east or south. If they cut the supply lines to the Russians forces in Izyum then the Russians will have to withdraw from Izyum. That gives Ukraine the ability to advance from Kharkiv to Severodonetsk unopposed.
The battle for Severodonetsk is going to be a long fight because even if they encircle it Ukraine has multiple ways to break a siege unlike Mariupol. Also Ukraine will have troops coming out to training soon and it’s got hundreds of tanks from former Warsaw pact nations arriving on the front. The Russians on the other hand are running out of combat reserves and it’s combining combat ineffective BTGs into new BTGs which is why Russia has been randomly advancing on villages this week with no real coordination to them.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:40 pm to Chromdome35
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Also the bridgeheads Ukraine established on the River to the east of Kharkiv are expanding.
That is what I was referring to when I said that Ukraine will be able to relieve an encircled Severodonetsk (if the Russians win the race to encircle it before the supply lines are cut to Izyum). If they liberate Izyum or make the Russians withdrawal then Ukraine can advance on Severodonetsk from Kharkiv on both sides of the river from the north and from the west.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:42 pm to BRIllini07
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That’s probably a good stopping point in my opinion. From everything I read Crimea was fairly pro-Russian pre-war, and Russia has had 8 years to build up defenses there.
Well they have driven the Russians out of the Kiev oblast and most of the Kharkiv oblast. So they are 40% on their way to achieving that goal.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:04 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:32 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
bump
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:33 pm to WeeWee
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Well they have driven the Russians out of the Kiev oblast and most of the Kharkiv oblast. So they are 40% on their way to achieving that goal.
We should send another $40B
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:42 pm to WeeWee
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Also Ukraine will have troops coming out to training soon
What's the time frame on this happening?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:49 pm to Centinel
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Russia taking Ukraine would cause massive ripples across the globe, both economically and politically.
No, it won't. My earlier statement that caused all the pearl clutching on here still holds true: Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for 70 years and in no way threatened the existence of the United States. We're going to do business in the region no matter who wins or loses. And Russia is in no way a military threat to conquer and subjugate Western Europe, much less the world. Their laughable performance invading Ukraine is proof of that. They may (emphasis on "may") have been a legitimate threat in the 70s at the height of their powers. Russia is a joke. Western Europe can easily defend themselves against the Bear.
Truth be told, this conflict should shine the light on the further necessity of NATO. There is absolutely no reason we should be spending a single dime on a region that can (but refuses to) step up and spend the money and manpower to defend themselves. Why do we even have a NATO anymore?
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:50 pm to notiger1997
Its already happening. Ukraine announced the activation of a new armored brigade today. The 100 T72's that Poland gave them are the core of it. I will try to find the source again.
ETA: Found it
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1528041086568079360
ETA: Found it
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1528041086568079360
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We have the UAF 5th Tank Brigade down in the south. They recently received 100 of the polish tanks.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:52 pm to WeeWee
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Haha will the Russians ever learn?
Hopefully not anytime soon, the dipshits. Nice secondary explosion.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:02 pm to Chromdome35
I took this down, I can't find any confirmation of it on any major news source.
Instead, here is an article on the concerns slowing down the decision...mainly that they are concerned the weapons could be used to launch attacks in Russia.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/biden-resists-ukrainian-demands-long-range-rocket-launchers-00033473
Instead, here is an article on the concerns slowing down the decision...mainly that they are concerned the weapons could be used to launch attacks in Russia.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/biden-resists-ukrainian-demands-long-range-rocket-launchers-00033473
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Officials across the Ukrainian government have pleaded with the U.S. for months to send the Multiple Launch Rocket System, or MLRS. But three people familiar with the issue say the Ukrainians are concerned that the White House is holding back over worries the weapon could be used to launch strikes inside Russia, thereby expanding and prolonging the conflict.
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But worries persist in the White House that sending the system or its cousin, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, could be seen as an escalation by the Kremlin, given the weapon’s longer range and greater destructive power than traditional artillery such as howitzers, or the older Soviet rocket launchers.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:07 pm to Chromdome35
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Massive battles today, conventional combat like this has not been seen since world war 2.
As someone who’s always been captivated by WWII history whether written word or documentary or movie, this is both cool and sad to read in 2022. Really never thought it could be said again to be honest, but the more things change the more they stay the same in some respects I guess.
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