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re: Kobe chopper's flight pattern was just weird and all over the place
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:33 pm to LSUintheNW
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:33 pm to LSUintheNW
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:45 pm to supatigah
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think the pilot was in a hurry to get them there, bit off more than he could chew flying VFR and fricked up
Best assessment, adding in denser than normal fog in the particular area they crashed.
I doubt Kobe explicitly pressured the guy to hurry up, but I’m sure the kids were antsy about being late for the game with the extra waiting time around the airports
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:52 pm to The Pirate King
the cabin is separated by a wall, only way to talk to the pilot is to put on a headset and click the button to talk to the pilot.
So it was probably one of those things where they had an 11 tip off in the tourney, left John Wayne around 9 with a pretty full bird, pilot knew the client's time constraints, running a little late after the delay around Burbank, pushed it more than he should have.
I doubt KB ever said a word to the pilot. From other articles, it has been commented on by a previous KB pilot that he sat in the back and usually didn't say a word.
So it was probably one of those things where they had an 11 tip off in the tourney, left John Wayne around 9 with a pretty full bird, pilot knew the client's time constraints, running a little late after the delay around Burbank, pushed it more than he should have.
I doubt KB ever said a word to the pilot. From other articles, it has been commented on by a previous KB pilot that he sat in the back and usually didn't say a word.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:55 pm to The Pirate King
quote:which makes you wonder if it’s even worth flying when you just have to wait around for multiple minutes to be given the green light to move. They probably get their just as quick driving
I doubt Kobe explicitly pressured the guy to hurry up, but I’m sure the kids were antsy about being late for the game with the extra waiting time around the airports
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:18 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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pilot should've known better than to take off if LAPD wouldn't fly in the same weather.
This doesn't mean that much actually. A police chopper is conducting surveillance or patrol ops so the weather needs to be VFR for them to do any good. If Kobe's pilot was IFR rated I'm wondering why he didn't just file an IFR flight plan from the get-go. (Haven't read enough yet to get the particulars about the weather mins, his ratings, etc)
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:22 pm to supatigah
With fog & visibility issues did pilot confuse Las Virgenes Rd (at least for south turn away from 101)? 101 does go under a bridge for Las Virgenes and looking at 2 satellite views of the road on west side of this bridge looks darker - almost tar like). Not sure when Apple Maps or google maps (iOS) updated satellite view last for area. Already curving with 101 and then coming around a larger left curve to maybe lose road going around more high ground on right side before straightening out behind it plus after bridge the road appears darker. Quickly seeing concrete bridge and initially Las Virgenes opening wider below 101 and that Virgenes also follows hills that had been on their left.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:22 pm to CHSTigersFan
Not judging my any means but most accidents involving aircraft are caused by human error.
Approximately 80 percent of airplane accidents are due to human error (pilots, air traffic controllers, mechanics, etc.) and 20 percent are due to machine (equipment) failures.
Approximately 80 percent of airplane accidents are due to human error (pilots, air traffic controllers, mechanics, etc.) and 20 percent are due to machine (equipment) failures.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:41 pm to dallastigers
That graphic says the aircraft appeared to be having trouble at 9:20 when it was circling Burbank airport. I hadn’t heard that. What was the problem then?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:53 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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This doesn't mean that much actually. A police chopper is conducting surveillance or patrol ops so the weather needs to be VFR for them to do any good. If Kobe's pilot was IFR rated I'm wondering why he didn't just file an IFR flight plan from the get-go. (Haven't read enough yet to get the particulars about the weather mins, his ratings, etc)
I was thinking the same. This really wasn't a safety issue primarily for the PD, it was that there's literally no point for a police chopper to be up if they can't see.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:05 pm to tigerpimpbot
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That graphic says the aircraft appeared to be having trouble at 9:20 when it was circling Burbank airport. I hadn’t heard that. What was the problem then?
Not certain about that. Graphic was from daily mail article someone posted earlier. Dailymail usually has good images but facts can be iffy. I just had not seen that image before reading article and had see other articles mention going down that other street before crash.
The only trouble I am aware of when circling was just waiting for awhile for clearance and direction from Burbank and Van Nuys airports.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:31 pm to tigerpimpbot
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That graphic says the aircraft appeared to be having trouble at 9:20 when it was circling Burbank airport. I hadn’t heard that. What was the problem then?
Graphic is wrong. They were holding for clearance because there was too much IFR traffic.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:33 pm to Kingpenm3
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I just have no concept of how many helipads are out there or if helicopters always use "official" helipads. Could Kobe have had a pad at his house? Where could you land close to the Staples Center? His Mamba Academy?
On a side note, medical helicopters responding to emergencies like to use sports fields if they are available. They are wide open spaces that are flat and they can have the lights turned on for the field for night landings.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:37 pm to supatigah
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:12 pm to CAD703X
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idiot flew into the side of a mountain because he couldn't see it.
Mountains are really bad about hiding in cloud and fog.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:20 pm to FightinTigersDammit
It's amazing this guy made this mistake considering how many times he had flown this pattern. You can't mess with fog or clouds.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
Heads up..
Fox news is about to break to california with an update from ntsb on the crash.
Fox news is about to break to california with an update from ntsb on the crash.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:08 pm to Street Hawk
If you’re flying in poor visibility, it seems like it would make sense to not be flying by sight, which is what it sounded like he was doing from listening to the ATC communication.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:26 pm to TheChosenOne
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It’s not that weird when you account for the pilot not know where he is due to intense fog.
not sure if already said but the advantage of a helicopter in this situation is it's able to move forward as slowly as a walk... why in the hell would anyone who couldn't see a damn thing be blistering through fog at 200mph???? THAT... is what is weird IMO
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:35 pm to MiDixon Yermouth
This lady from the NTSB in the live interview is a huge biatch. Geez
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:53 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:,
If Kobe's pilot was IFR rated I'm wondering why he didn't just file an IFR flight plan from the get-go.
He thought he could make it VFR, and that would save time, Going VFR he could just fly from point a to point B in the most direct manner taking into account controlled airspace. If he had filed IFR then he would be at the mercy of ATC and what they wanted him to do.. The pressure to get somewhere by a certain time gets a lot of people killed in general aviation. I don’t fly anymore, but back in the day more than once I was guilty of taking off in conditions when business was involved. that otherwise would have kept me on the ground.
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