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re: It seems COVID has cured heart disease, cancer, strokes, etc
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:11 am to stout
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:11 am to stout
Every normal day, thousands of Americans go to their doctor for unusual symptoms that worry them. Most ultimately get sent for test and many get diagnosed with something awful - like breast cancer or heart disease. It's often caught before it becomes fatal because access to health care and testing infrastructure is so easy in this country.
Today, those people are not getting the early testing and care that they need because their hospitals have slowed or even stopped a lot of function beyond Covid treatment. There will be human a cost to shutting down all of these hospitals to anything but Covid, and I'm not even getting into the health crisis that will come from an economic downturn.
It's time to restart the economy and get people back to work - especially our health care system.
Today, those people are not getting the early testing and care that they need because their hospitals have slowed or even stopped a lot of function beyond Covid treatment. There will be human a cost to shutting down all of these hospitals to anything but Covid, and I'm not even getting into the health crisis that will come from an economic downturn.
It's time to restart the economy and get people back to work - especially our health care system.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:12 am to stout
Scruffy pointed this out very early on in April that the experts doubled up the predicted people in the hospital because they assumed all of the other numbers would stay the same. Shocker, they didn’t.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:12 am to JohnnyKilroy
No one is arguing overall deaths aren't up, Johnny Killjoy.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:13 am to dewster
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There will be human a cost to shutting down all of these hospitals to anything but Covid, and I'm not even getting into the health crisis that will come from an economic downturn.
To put it simply, the solution will end up being worse than the cause.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am to JohnnyKilroy
I always trust charts that leave off numbers indicating the scale used on the Y axis in order to make the charts scarier.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am to stout
it's like trying to teach a cat how to fetch 
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am to MapGuy
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I truly believe of the ~65k deaths in the us only ~20 are actually real covid actual.
This was always going to be the next talking point.
First, it was that there would be no or minimal deaths here. Then, people start dying and then they are fake deaths. You will go to any lengths to rationalize it.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am to Chad504boy
quote:let's try to stay on topic. Just because someone points something out regarding a specific aspect of this doesn't mean they support the shutdown.
if you can't find the flaws in this graph then there's nothing that can help you. we aren't shutting down the fricking world for that miniscule bump.
Idk what the typical yoy increase in deaths is for that area, so without accounting for that that's a 28% increase in death in the same period. That's not a "small bump."
Obviously everything that's even borderline, they'll include it in the stat to pump the number. Plus everyone in that area and their moms are infected, so every death is going to be COVID.
However, this graph also captures the impact of COVID, which was my initial point.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:14 am to stout
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No one is arguing overall deaths aren't up, Johnny Killjoy.
The charts show that the covid deaths are actually an undercount baw.
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From March 8 to April 11, 2020, there were 15,100 more total deaths than average in New York state over the same period over the past five years, according to the CDC. According to The New York Times, 12,686 deaths from coronavirus were reported in NYS over those five weeks — a difference of more than 3,400 people.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:15 am to stout
I can only find up to 2018 mortality rates on the CDC website for NY
can you post the links to where you gathered this data?
thanks
can you post the links to where you gathered this data?
thanks
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:17 am to stout
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To put it simply, the solution will end up being worse than the cause.
It already is. The way my state is handling this is fricking insane.
Almost all of our new cases are in nursing homes. The second highest group of people with infections are the health care workers themselves. We haven't done enough to protect those vulnerable patients or their caregivers, but we've gone overboard with locking healthy and less vulnerable people down, ensuring economic collapse and reduced access to healthcare for "elective" procedures - which in my area, includes cancer screenings.
fricking Lowe's and Home Depot are up and running, but a 45 year old woman has to jump through hoops to get a fricking mammogram.
To add insult to injury, Wal Mart, Target, and Whole Foods are all open....while a lot of smaller, independent stores and restaurants are not allowed to operate to even half capacity, if at all. It's absolute bullshite, and I don't think it's legal.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:17 am to stout
Did some hospitals just not receive the COVID cause of death memo?
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:18 am to JohnnyKilroy
Your chart isn't matching up with the OPs chart.
In OP, it states the deaths in NY for 2019 to be 12,500 for a month and 16,000 for a month in 2020.
Yours is claiming about 25,000 in 2020.
Is yours a forecast?
In OP, it states the deaths in NY for 2019 to be 12,500 for a month and 16,000 for a month in 2020.
Yours is claiming about 25,000 in 2020.
Is yours a forecast?
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:19 am to East Coast Band
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Your chart isn't matching up with the OPs chart.
In OP, it states the deaths in NY for 2019 to be 12,500 for a month and 16,000 for a month in 2020.
Yours is claiming about 25,000 in 2020.
Is yours a forecast?
quote:LINK
The 2020 lines in the charts are provisional data through April 11. The end of the first week of each month is labeled.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:20 am to stout
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:22 am to stout
That graph you posted was done 4/14 and much of the data takes at least a couple of weeks to be collected from coroners etc. It is missing a lot of data.
The most recent stats for only NYC from March 8 to April 11, 2020:
New York City had around 325% more deaths than normal during the period you discuss. So there's plenty of room for heart attacks.
NYC had 11,900 deaths in excess of normal during this period and only 10,261 have been attributed to Covid.
Based on that, NYC is still 1,600+ deaths over normal even after all the Covid deaths counted so far.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html
The most recent stats for only NYC from March 8 to April 11, 2020:
New York City had around 325% more deaths than normal during the period you discuss. So there's plenty of room for heart attacks.
NYC had 11,900 deaths in excess of normal during this period and only 10,261 have been attributed to Covid.
Based on that, NYC is still 1,600+ deaths over normal even after all the Covid deaths counted so far.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:24 am to stout
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It's in the chart, dummy. I didn't photoshop it out or anything.
That's kind of the fricking point, retard.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:25 am to castorinho
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Meh, still shows overall ~3,500 more deaths in that one month period.
The data isn't as useful in the middle of the spike.
A) More COVID-19 deaths to come
B) Far more important - how many current COVID-19 deaths were future heart disease, cancer, etc deaths that were pulled forward?
You have to evaluate excess deaths over a longer period of time - a year or so at a minimum.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:27 am to dewster
Sounds like Covid has been a great American success story.
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:27 am to slackster
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The data isn't as useful in the middle of the spike.
A) More COVID-19 deaths to come
B) Far more important - how many current COVID-19 deaths were future heart disease, cancer, etc deaths that were pulled forward?
You have to evaluate excess deaths over a longer period of time - a year or so at a minimum.
Bingo. When all is said and done, there will be increased mortality. But not nearly as much as some people think. A huge number of the Covid deaths were already knocking on death's door for totally unrelated reasons.
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