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Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:25 pm to Lsut81
Americans travel a lot domestically.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:25 pm to VABuckeye
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one massive cluster (Wuhan/Lombardy) and the rest of the provinces would more or less "escape" with only smaller outbreaks.
The difference in cluster sizes has to only be time. I’m not sure what else could explain it. I think without mitigation measures the other small clusters would eventually progress. I hope we see otherwise I just don’t know how that would be possible.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:25 pm to VABuckeye
Fwiw, I have seen a lot of smart people push back on the idea we are “11 days behind Italy”
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:25 pm to Lsut81
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Lots of links outside of La are tied to being there for Madri Gras
I haven't seen that but it makes sense. A lot of cases in Europe are being traced back to the Italian ski resorts.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:26 pm to Lsut81
They’re coming back from countries infected before ours. Carriers.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:26 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Even in the case of a national emergency?
The 10th has been flouted for so long that people tend to forget its there.
Federal authority on domestic activity (on paper) exists solely on the width of those imaginary state lines.
And there is lots of precedent and reinforced laws backing up limits on what muscle the FedGov can flex to make it happen.
It will be a cluster frick if Trump can’t get all state governors aboard with the plan.
If he can’t, expect Trump to declare sovereign immunity, push through all injunctions anyway, and we get another dog and pony show of impeachment.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:27 pm to Oates Mustache
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The population density is insane in Italy, 533 per square mile.
Yeah, so take that and add in the elderly population and its pretty easy to see why Italy is in the situation it is.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:29 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Indeed. At the very least this thing will hopefully spur people to wash their hands more often.
I was listening to a podcast earlier and the question of knowing the impact that closer attention to handwashing and hygiene is having on the spread. The person basically asked how we can know it is helping with coronavirus.
Since we can't really study the impact on the spread of corona, there are ongoing studies of the current trends in flu and other infectious diseases.
Since the public has had its attention drawn to more stringent hygiene practices, there has been a marked decrease in flu cases etc. (In the study area, which I believe was Japan). They are using the results to project the likely impact on the spread of coronavirus.
They were talking about this on the latest episode of "This Week in Virology".
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:29 pm to Volvagia
I find it interesting that NY is keeping schools open. Densely populated area with high rates of international travel.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:30 pm to Volvagia
An actual lockdown and national curfew wouldn’t do it legally. He could, with congress’ authority, close down bars and restaurants under the commerce clause in all likelihood
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:30 pm to Lsut81
This is we're it'll get interesting for us.
New Jersey (Population density: 1,213 people per square mile)
Rhode Island (Population density: 1,022 people per square mile)
Puerto Rico (Population density: 900 people per square mile)
Massachusetts (Population density: 890 people per square mile)
Connecticut (Population density: 737 people per square mile)
Maryland (Population density: 625 people per square mile)
Delaware (Population density: 500 people per square mile)
New Jersey (Population density: 1,213 people per square mile)
Rhode Island (Population density: 1,022 people per square mile)
Puerto Rico (Population density: 900 people per square mile)
Massachusetts (Population density: 890 people per square mile)
Connecticut (Population density: 737 people per square mile)
Maryland (Population density: 625 people per square mile)
Delaware (Population density: 500 people per square mile)
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:30 pm to Lsut81
It’s the timing with Chinese workers coming back from the Chinese New Year holiday that’s fricking northern Italy. Couldn’t have been worse for them. They got inundated with carriers and they had no clue.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:31 pm to VABuckeye
Wouldn’t we see the same here?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:31 pm to VABuckeye
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They got inundated with carriers and they had no clue.
Same with us... The US should have been screening people coming in from China late January and we didn’t.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:32 pm to Lsut81
Maybe that travel ban from China had an impact?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:33 pm to Lsut81
Anybody think we see states close their borders?
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:34 pm to VABuckeye
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Maybe that travel ban from China had an impact?
It did, but was 2 weeks too late.
Same thing with Europe, multiple cases here in the US with travel tied to Italy.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:35 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I will have to go read the act more thoroughly but I seriously thought it can be done when a National State of Emergency was declared.
I’m not a constitutional scholar, I just slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but as I understand it the declaration does two generalized things:
1)allows budget and funding games to be played
2)allows the president to sweep aside “feel good” laws temporarily, such as the prohibition of having and using chemical/biological warfare, human experimentation, etc.
State sovereignty isn’t generated from a law of Congress however.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:35 pm to Kramer26
The states don’t have the power to close their own borders. Privileges and immunities. Feds could close certain borders though
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