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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:35 pm to Kramer26
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:35 pm to Kramer26
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Anybody think we see states close their boarders?
What is the legality of that? I honestly don’t know.
Would def be a constitutional test. Americans won’t sit on their hands and take it like other countries populations. For good or bad, you decide.
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Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:36 pm to tigerfan88
It will be unbearable hearing contrarian libertarians bitch about lockdowns.
The constitution isn't meant for a pandemic and should be tossed aside until May/June.
The constitution isn't meant for a pandemic and should be tossed aside until May/June.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:36 pm to tigerfan88
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An actual lockdown and national curfew wouldn’t do it legally. He could, with congress’ authority, close down bars and restaurants under the commerce clause in all likelihood
Agreed.
And you don’t think there won’t be someone, somewhere so torn up with TDS that they wouldn’t sue?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I was just telling my husband tonight that I’m astonished that I would go along with a total 2 week shutdown. Age is mellowing me, I suppose. I don’t know how long I would grudgingly support it. A month seems like too much but I would have laughed at 2 week a month ago.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:40 pm to Kramer26
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Anybody think we see states close their borders?
I don't think that's feasible as it would be too much a tax on manpower to secure every reasonable point of entry into an individual state.
Stopping passenger flights? Maybe. Goods will still have to be transported through interstate commerce.
I don't think there is going to be any national action but I think you will see a lot of cities and states doing what Italy did in its initial stages in an attempt to limit people from going out and gathering in places.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:41 pm to Volvagia
Oh I’m sure you’d get a million lawsuits. And who knows what a court would do faced with a TRO in this situation.
Regardless of the law, and again I think there’s decent authority for the closing of economic establishments under the commerce clause, courts have a long and stories history of finding a way to back the government in times of true emergency
Regardless of the law, and again I think there’s decent authority for the closing of economic establishments under the commerce clause, courts have a long and stories history of finding a way to back the government in times of true emergency
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:43 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Stopping passenger flights? Maybe. Goods will still have to be transported through interstate commerce
I could see declaration to close sit down restaurants and then public transportation... But no way interstate travel as it would stop the flow of supplies and also do nothing in regards to stopping the spread.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:43 pm to LSUGrrrl
Europe shuts down largely in August. Why can’t we all take a two week vacation at home? Seems weird and obviously financial institutions would have to agree. I know. It’s radical.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:43 pm to tigerfan88
A national lockdown would be difficult to enforce, but I absolutely see lockdowns at the state and local level coming. Several officials have already made veiled warnings to that effect. Basically, "we are asking you nicely now, so we don't have to force you to do it".
I think a ban on non essential businesses being open will be coming to Ohio next week. Everything has been pretty much canceled as it is so there isn't really much to do. The parking lots at most restaurants were pretty empty today. Probably better for them to just shutdown and either pay their employees something or lay them off to collect unemployment. Pretty much every church in the area is canceled for tomorrow, which is probably for the best; church services are heavily attended by the older crowd.
I think a ban on non essential businesses being open will be coming to Ohio next week. Everything has been pretty much canceled as it is so there isn't really much to do. The parking lots at most restaurants were pretty empty today. Probably better for them to just shutdown and either pay their employees something or lay them off to collect unemployment. Pretty much every church in the area is canceled for tomorrow, which is probably for the best; church services are heavily attended by the older crowd.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:44 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I was just telling my husband tonight that I’m astonished that I would go along with a total 2 week shutdown. Age is mellowing me, I suppose. I don’t know how long I would grudgingly support it. A month seems like too much but I would have laughed at 2 week a month ago.
Maybe this is because I'm not exactly a social butterfly, but I don't see it as being a huge issue. IMO, people's desire to go out and do stuff on a consistent basis is bewildering to me. To the extent that if it's suggested during a pandemic you see some people rage about the Constitution.
It's only a few weeks. But I guess some people can't go that long without going to the movies, going to a party, going to a waterpark, or whatever. Personally, I don't get it.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:46 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Americans travel a lot domestically.
Which is why there have been reports of the Trump Administration considering restrictions on domestic flights.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:48 pm to Unknown_Poster
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It's only a few weeks. But I guess some people can't go that long without going to the movies, going to a party, going to a waterpark, or whatever. Personally, I don't get it.
For a lot of people it may be about getting a paycheck. Think about how many people live paycheck to paycheck. What happens when they don’t have their check to buy groceries or supplies?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Which is why there have been reports of the Trump Administration considering restrictions on domestic flights.
But honestly, too late at this point.
Flights are 1/4 of normal capacity and people aren’t traveling for work or conferences.
You’d get more bang for your buck shutting down restaurants than air travel.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:49 pm to LSUGrrrl
Here's the thing. I actually favor a one-week shutdown. That's because the median case gets symptoms at five days. A one-week shutdown can allow testing to catch up a bit as we expand capacity.
If we do a one-week shutdown soon, we might not need to do a two-week shutdown.
If we do a one-week shutdown soon, we might not need to do a two-week shutdown.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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For a lot of people it may be about getting a paycheck. Think about how many people live paycheck to paycheck. What happens when they don’t have their check to buy groceries or supplies?
Or small business that will still have bills, but no income. I think everyone would sign up for the two week thing if they knew that would be the end of it. Obviously no one can guarantee that and it likely wouldn't be enough time.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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For a lot of people it may be about getting a paycheck. Think about how many people live paycheck to paycheck
Will be interested to read fine print in the House Bill they passed... 2 weeks sick for self and/or child care due to closures.
Will this extend to business closures too
Also, if I have PTO, will I get the govt guaranteed 2 weeks of sick in addition to that?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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For a lot of people it may be about getting a paycheck. Think about how many people live paycheck to paycheck. What happens when they don’t have their check to buy groceries or supplies?
But many businesses can’t afford to absorb the lost of sales and paying all employees for a prolonged shutdown. They will need assistance from government sources (taxpayers) to survive and employee people again when this is over.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:55 pm to Lsut81
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Will be interested to read fine print in the House Bill they passed... 2 weeks sick for self and/or child care due to closures.
We read through a summary of it earlier today as it has a direct impact on us. Key points:
- Only applies to business under 500 employees (I still don't understand that. Maybe that just applies to the tax credit, but the summary didn't specify that.)
- Didn't see anything on business closures, but it may have something in there
- Businesses get reimbursed via tax credit
- Also applies to employees that have to take time of to take care of a sick family member
Interested to see what provisions there are for businesses that do need to shutdown, both for the employees and for the business.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:56 pm to LSUGrrrl
Businesses have a lot of expenses outside of payroll. I may have to have a talk with some vendors, etc if this thing goes on too long.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:59 pm to VABuckeye
We will never have a full scale shutdown because of the large corporations
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