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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:52 pm to Lsut81
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:52 pm to Lsut81
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Like it or not, until it kills 30k in the US, the “its not as bad as the flu” crowd will continue to preach.
Such a silly benchmark.
So at 2,999 deaths it’s not as bad as the flu
And at 3,001 deaths it’s worse than the flu
Is that the logic we are using?
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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So at 2,999 deaths it’s not as bad as the flu
And at 3,001 deaths it’s worse than the flu
Is that the logic we are using?
Yes, thats the logic they are using. I don’t fault them for it. If number of deaths is the ultimate indicator of severity in their books, then they are correct. If mortality rate is yours, then you are right.
And why silly? Because you say so and youre holier than thou?
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:56 pm to LSUGrrrl
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So what are the odds we start looking at a 2 week lock down like we’ve seen in other countries?
Very high. My only question is do they quarantine just the local city where the outbreak is bad, the state, or more.
I don’t think quarantining the whole country makes sense, but other countries have done it. I guess they are worried about a lot of people going to another city or state. If everyone is locked down it wouldn’t matter.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:57 pm to Lsut81
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And why silly? Because you say so and your holier than thou?
Not at all, I respect other opinions but I just don’t think they will be honest. I think they will just move onto the next talking point.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 9:59 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Very high. My only question is do they quarantine just the local city where the outbreak is bad, the state, or more.
Hmmm... I was hoping you would give me a different opinion. I know for a fact that several very large companies are putting plans in place for a full 2 week shut down and expect it to happen. Many believe it’s the onky way to get people to truly self contain and have businesses survive as the country would have to cover the costs at that point.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:00 pm to Lsut81
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Like it or not, until it kills 30k in the US, the “its not as bad as the flu” crowd will continue to preach.
Oh I’m well aware. And then the goal posts will shift to the next thing.
The point is there are mountains of evidence that it leads to a far more severe clinical attack rate than flu, and yet I see time and time again it get insinuated/outright said that this is nothing notable. That if we tracked regular flu with the same vigor, we would see similar results.
Well obviously not, given the comparison to the obituary section in the core of the flu results.
And if it doesn’t happen, they will simply say it was never a big deal in spite of multiple clear examples in each of two divergent paths: what can can with massive active containment, and what happening when you just monitor the situation.
For fricks sake, we had people trying to rationalize Italy was a third world country to make themselves feel comfortable with the death toll.
And as pointless as the battle may be, I have no issues being Don Quixote about it.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:00 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Not at all, I respect other opinions but I just don’t think they will be honest. I think they will just move onto the next talking point.
There are so many different metrics that people can judge severity over.
They could look at deaths across a spectrum and the fact that the normal flu kills kids and this doesn’t makes this less severe in their eyes... So many different things.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:01 pm to LSUGrrrl
It’s just a guess. I just don’t see any other way to slow it down and I think we are almost guaranteed to see hospitals overflowing in certain locations. It’s been spreading for weeks with no testing or mitigation measures.
Just think. You had people with COVID going home without a test for days to infect other people before going back to the hospital to finally get a positive test.
Just think. You had people with COVID going home without a test for days to infect other people before going back to the hospital to finally get a positive test.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:03 pm to Volvagia
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For fricks sake, we had people trying to rationalize Italy was a third world country to make themselves feel comfortable with the death toll.
Italy is an anomaly... 25% of the population is elderly and the population density is ridiculous in comparison to others.
No other country is even close to what is happening there. It’s like anything, there are two extremes and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:04 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I dont know why this is such a mystery to some. This shite is everywhere, it will exponentially increase. Wait till that shite hits and see the crazy.
It’s been spreading for weeks with no testing or mitigation measures.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:05 pm to rds dc
Louisiana passes FL for the most active cases in the SE.


Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
It only works if it’s a nationwide shut down and that idea blows my mind.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:06 pm to rds dc
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Louisiana passes FL for the most active cases in the SE.
Lots of links outside of La are tied to being there for Madri Gras..... Not just floats killing people
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:07 pm to rds dc
Notice how Louisiana and Colorado have the highest rates per capita in the US. Mardi Gras and Ski Season travel.
ETA: Other than Washington state which is the busiest route into the US from China (Seattle).
ETA: Other than Washington state which is the busiest route into the US from China (Seattle).
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:08 pm to LSUGrrrl
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So what are the odds we start looking at a 2 week lock down like we’ve seen in other countries? The amount of closures, the limiting of assembly size, etc seem reasonable in small steps but how far will it go before this is under control?
Almost a given in my opinion. The question of containment is gone, and the hope for case tracing serving as a mitigation mechanism is almost gone as well.
We have confirmed community level infection in 70+% of the US.
The only variable will be if the second wave deaths materialize in the form of a spike within the next ten days, or if it will still just simmer in the background.
I am personally preparing on the assumption we are going to be given a directive to stay at home for the month of April and I’m making sure mine are covered in event it happens.
Note that I don’t nesscessarily think it will happen because the situation warranted it, but just like the aftermath of the NBA suspension, you’ll get a domino effect of pressure from the optics of it.
We saw this today with the rash of countries imposting a lockdown in the wake of France.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:09 pm to Unknown_Poster
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At the very least this thing will hopefully spur people to wash their hands more often.
Good luck on that. We’ve only known for almost 200 years that hand washing helps prevent the spread of illnesses and many people still ignore it.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:10 pm to Volvagia
I mean we’ll copy Italy. Stay at home will still allow for essential work, grocery store, and pharmacy.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
Some connected sources have told me that New Orleans is considering an Italy-like "lockdown" that would commence at 5 p.m. on Monday. Not trying to start a panic or guarantee anything, but take it for what it's worth.
Posted on 3/14/20 at 10:10 pm to Lsut81
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Italy is an anomaly... 25% of the population is elderly and the population density is ridiculous in comparison to others.
There is like a 2-3% difference in the US and Italy’s population portion in the high risk demographic.
Do you honestly think that is the smoking gun distinction?
Density is valid however, and goes to why the need to switch to active, not suggestive, containment measures.
This post was edited on 3/14/20 at 10:12 pm
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