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re: CDC 94% of Covid deaths in the US had underlying medical conditions!
Posted on 8/31/20 at 3:49 am to RealDawg
Posted on 8/31/20 at 3:49 am to RealDawg
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There have been 200,000 more deaths through 31 weeks on 2020 than the average for the 3 years prior at the same point.
So what does that mean? With all due respect, using only your data at hand that means nothing. We could have had one or two very low death years to make the 3 year avg lower than normal. 2021 for instance is likely a low year since 2020 killed so many old people, it’s very possible using a 3 year avg for 2020 shows absolutely 0 major long term effect. From 2004 to 2017 it looks like deaths went from about 2.4 mil a year to 2.8, that’s a 400,000 death increase in under 15 years. So 200,000 jump in one outlying year is not a statistical anomaly per se.
No one is saying Covid is a hoax. What people are saying is that there is absolutely no reason to shut down life for your average working age adult or kids. This disease is not good for those old and in poor health and we should protect them, but everyone else should move on almost normally in life.
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Posted on 8/31/20 at 4:19 am to TulaneLSU
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It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data. Rioters see the headline, "Person shot by police." They return to riot. Right wing internetters see a headline they think diminishes the severity of covid-19 and they say, "The pandemic is a hoax." Different starting point, and hopefully different end point, but similar irrational discernment.
During election season EVERYTHING is viewed through a political lens and it does not matter what side of the political aisle you lean. The good news is things will begin to get much better starting November 4th.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 6:53 am to Outboard
Well no shite.... The regular fricking flu would had taken them out.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:35 am to Outboard
48% died of pneumonia... Which they wouldn't have if they didn't contract covid.
But they didn't die of covid, the pneumonia killed them.
But they didn't die of covid, the pneumonia killed them.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:37 am to GoT1de
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Which they wouldn't have if they didn't contract covid.
And you know this how?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:38 am to GoT1de
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48% died of pneumonia... Which they wouldn't have if they didn't contract covid.
But they didn't die of covid, the pneumonia killed them.
How do we know that? Not for against them data here, but you can have pneumonia first then get Covid also.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:13 am to baldona
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How do we know that? Not for against them data here, but you can have pneumonia first then get Covid also.
Certainly, a very few people fall into that category as well as some people may have also had a heart attack, renal failure, arrhythmia or respiratory failure even without COVID but COVID causes all of these.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:13 am to GoT1de
quote:Oh for Christ's sake. It's not "the" pneumonia. It's just "pneumonia". It's not "the" covid. It's "covid".
But they didn't die of covid, the pneumonia killed them.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:24 am to RealDawg
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Yes it is.
There have been 200,000 more deaths through 31 weeks on 2020 than the average for the 3 years prior at the same point.
Read what I quoted and tell me if that is what you said.
And why do you have to average out the last three years? If you look at the death rates for those years you would see they all had a similar, or even higher, increase as this year.
So if total deaths in 2019>2018>2017, by averaging them out you paint a completely different picture than what is actually happening.
That's a sneaky way to make things seem worse than they are and if you have to resort to those tactics then there's something wrong with your message.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:45 am to Outboard
Probably why the US is getting hammered so hard. We’re a country of fat arses.
Why do you hate mee maw and cousin Elroy with the diabeetus?
Why do you hate mee maw and cousin Elroy with the diabeetus?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:49 am to TulaneLSU
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The conclusion that is seeping out the conspiracy theorist's mind is that 94% of the deaths attributed to covid are not caused by covid, which is foolish. The "doctors" of Qhiropractic "medicine" and small town news reporters that are tweeting this headline do not seem to know how to interpret this data
I interpret it like this: It is not my responsibility to social distance or wear a mask because people choose to be extremely unhealthy by being obese. Those at risk should quarantine if they so choose. You are correct that this information is open to interpretation. The media has chosen to interpret it in a way to politicize it and shut the entire country down for a bunch of fat asses.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:27 am to Outboard
The biggest takeaway from this chart is not preexisting conditions, it's the age of the victims. The average life expectancy in the U.S. is 78 years old. 93,000 recorded COVID deaths are over age 74, and more than 50,000 of those are over 85. This age group is extremely fragile from the start.
Since this pattern became clear a while ago, it's obvious we should be doing a better job of protecting our elderly (and immune-compromised) citizens while allowing the rest of the world to carry on in a near normal fashion.
Since this pattern became clear a while ago, it's obvious we should be doing a better job of protecting our elderly (and immune-compromised) citizens while allowing the rest of the world to carry on in a near normal fashion.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:27 am to Outboard
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CDC 94% of Covid deaths in the US had underlying medical conditions!
seeing as being fat is a medical condition, 50% of Americans have an underlying medical condition
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:43 am to baldona
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No one is saying Covid is a hoax
You can’t be serious.
People are, quite literally, saying exactly this on a regular basis. Ironically, many were using the 2020 total death data to support the conclusion that it was a hoax back in April-May time frame. Personally, I thought the total deaths argument was a stretch then and I think it’s a stretch now. There are too many other variables to draw meaningful conclusions, IMO. But it’s just another example of how people look for data to support their conclusions, instead of drawing conclusions from data.
I’m as fed up with shutdowns as anyone, but conspiracy theories about the death numbers tend to undermine the better argument, which is that the virus disproportionally affects people who aren’t in the workforce anyway due to their age. If anti-shutdown folks would focus on that instead of trying to find ways to call the data BS, we might get actual policy changes instead of meaningless platitudes.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:53 am to lostinbr
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If anti-shutdown folks would focus on that instead of trying to find ways to call the data BS, we might get actual policy changes instead of meaningless platitudes.
They're politicians. The entire response to Covid is one giant meaningless platitude meant to make the hyperventilating Karens feel safe so they stop pestering the politicians. They have more important things to do like focus on grift and making sure their family members get nice kickbacks.
The media has a vested interest in keeping the Karens riled up, so the data will be presented in such a way to do so, no matter what.
Why do you think the goalposts were shifted after we flattened the curve?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:57 am to Outboard
I keep waiting for one or our OT medical geniuses to provide an explanation of how you die directly from COVID without any other related illness.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 10:11 am to HouseMom
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Since this pattern became clear a while ago, it's obvious we should be doing a better job of protecting our elderly (and immune-compromised) citizens while allowing the rest of the world to carry on in a near normal fashion.
You act like this a reasonable thing that can be done. Do you know how many people have already not seen they’re parents/grandparents since March? The elderly are already treated like cast aways and shoved in to nursing homes for the last 10-15 years of their lives. Now we expect the majority of society to just keep ignoring them? Sorry but people don’t have the emotional capacity to do that.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:16 am to Bonkers119
I don't disagree with your points, but when do you think Covid-19 is going away? Are you in the "just two more weeks" camp? If we all stay home just a litttle bit longer, we'll all be "safe" from harm?
What is the end game? There is no obvious quantifiable objective here. My point was only that we may be losing focus with such a blanket approach. Not all people are equally at risk for negative effects from this illness.
What is the end game? There is no obvious quantifiable objective here. My point was only that we may be losing focus with such a blanket approach. Not all people are equally at risk for negative effects from this illness.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:32 am to lostinbr
quote:As everyone should be.
I’m as fed up with shutdowns as anyone
The country with the highest level of mask mandate and shutdown compliance is also the country with the highest deaths per capita in the world.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:39 am to lostinbr
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You can’t be serious. People are, quite literally, saying exactly this on a regular basis.
At least 50% if not closer to 80-90% of the time that "hoax" is used its sarcasm. Almost no one thinks Covid is absolutely nothing. The far left is being just as absurd, so the far right is calling it a "hoax" mostly out of sarcasm to pull things back to reality to some degree.
I feel bad for you if you are that ignorant to not understand this.
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