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re: CDC 94% of Covid deaths in the US had underlying medical conditions!
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:50 pm to DoctorTechnical
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:50 pm to DoctorTechnical
Friend,
I also use e.g., sic., cf., and i.e., but really, the shorthand was because I could not remember if it was nauseum or nausum.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
I also use e.g., sic., cf., and i.e., but really, the shorthand was because I could not remember if it was nauseum or nausum.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:55 pm to Outboard
Good lord. Again, coding someone’s death to both COVID and respiratory arrest does not mean they didn’t die of COVID. 
Yes, there are probably people dying of non-COVID conditions who are being reported as COVID deaths because they tested positive. No, it’s nowhere near 94%.
And before somebody starts talking about how flu deaths get coded, here are recent CDC estimates for flu deaths:
2014-2015: 44,000 to 64,000 (estimate 51,000)
2015-2016: 17,000 to 35,000 (estimate 23,000)
2016-2017: 29,000 to 61,000 (estimate 38,000)
2017-2018: 46,000 to 95,000 (estimate 61,000)
2018-2019: 26,339 to 52,664 (estimate 34,157)
2019-2020: 24,000 to 62,000 (no estimate available yet from what I can tell)
CDC estimates flu deaths by extrapolating from a flu surveillance network that covers ~8.5% of the population and then applying fudge factors to account for variables like testing frequency. Meaning the number of lab-confirmed influenza deaths reported to CDC in a given year is at most about 8.5% of their estimates.
That means that for the 2017-2018 season, when CDC estimated 61,000 flu deaths, they likely used 5,000 or less actual lab-confirmed deaths (which, by the way, would have included the same comorbidities you see in the COVID data) to develop this estimate. If they reported COVID deaths the same way, people would lose their shite.
Yes, there are probably people dying of non-COVID conditions who are being reported as COVID deaths because they tested positive. No, it’s nowhere near 94%.
And before somebody starts talking about how flu deaths get coded, here are recent CDC estimates for flu deaths:
2014-2015: 44,000 to 64,000 (estimate 51,000)
2015-2016: 17,000 to 35,000 (estimate 23,000)
2016-2017: 29,000 to 61,000 (estimate 38,000)
2017-2018: 46,000 to 95,000 (estimate 61,000)
2018-2019: 26,339 to 52,664 (estimate 34,157)
2019-2020: 24,000 to 62,000 (no estimate available yet from what I can tell)
CDC estimates flu deaths by extrapolating from a flu surveillance network that covers ~8.5% of the population and then applying fudge factors to account for variables like testing frequency. Meaning the number of lab-confirmed influenza deaths reported to CDC in a given year is at most about 8.5% of their estimates.
That means that for the 2017-2018 season, when CDC estimated 61,000 flu deaths, they likely used 5,000 or less actual lab-confirmed deaths (which, by the way, would have included the same comorbidities you see in the COVID data) to develop this estimate. If they reported COVID deaths the same way, people would lose their shite.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:07 pm to lostinbr
quote:Nobody dies of AIDS.
Good lord. Again, coding someone’s death to both COVID and respiratory arrest does not mean they didn’t die of COVID.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:11 pm to Outboard
What’s the take away? 90% of 70yo have underlying conditions. 80% of 60 year olds.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:15 pm to TDcline
Every single major country in the world is going through this at some level.
200,000 MORE people have died already in the US than the last 3 years. Facts.
Of course people that are elderly, have heart conditions, lung issues, blood issues, obese, have cancer, etc are more likely to die if they get a bonus virus the body has never seen on top.
It means exactly what the reports show..they died of multiple reasons with Covid being among them.
Entirely too many educated, grown arse people buying into conspiracy crap.
200,000 MORE people have died already in the US than the last 3 years. Facts.
Of course people that are elderly, have heart conditions, lung issues, blood issues, obese, have cancer, etc are more likely to die if they get a bonus virus the body has never seen on top.
It means exactly what the reports show..they died of multiple reasons with Covid being among them.
Entirely too many educated, grown arse people buying into conspiracy crap.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:23 pm to lostinbr
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:00 pm to TulaneLSU
Whether it’s right or wrong, I think the mentality is that those who are obese and die of covid “had it coming.”
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:04 pm to TH03
you fat baws gotta stop posting cringe before us ripped baws start coughing on you on purpose
Fact is you can't catch covid if you're less than 10% body fat so why don't y'all let us go to bars so we can get that glorious land of arnold zyzz looking baws and cardio bunnies going
it'll be like 1776 all over again
Fact is you can't catch covid if you're less than 10% body fat so why don't y'all let us go to bars so we can get that glorious land of arnold zyzz looking baws and cardio bunnies going
it'll be like 1776 all over again
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:07 pm to Outboard
Doesn’t The majority of the population have diabetes or hypertension?
This post was edited on 8/30/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:10 pm to TulaneLSU
Friend,
I will pray for you and your struggle with the adipose demons. Hopefully with some gains and some cardio you will make yourself in the image of our ripped christ and your fears of corona will be assuaged
Mother says that God put us in the garden of Eden with plenty of fruits and veggies and tasty animals to eat and none of the chips and oreos you fat bastards eat
I will pray for you and your struggle with the adipose demons. Hopefully with some gains and some cardio you will make yourself in the image of our ripped christ and your fears of corona will be assuaged
Mother says that God put us in the garden of Eden with plenty of fruits and veggies and tasty animals to eat and none of the chips and oreos you fat bastards eat
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:12 pm to TDcline
And perpetuated by the ENTIRE WORLD....... 
Do better
Be better
Do better
Be better
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:18 pm to danilo
quote:
Doesn’t The majority of the population have diabetes or hypertension?
Are we talking globally or in Louisiana? Because the answer changes with that specification
Posted on 8/30/20 at 10:29 pm to TulaneLSU
This was a good post. Yes, these numbers have been out a while and are pretty consistent. Yes, many people with other conditions would not have died with out covid.
This post, without saying it, does show how the media can easily hype the issue into something bad, both in covid and riots. This is where the distrust comes from. Several times Fauci, WHO, CDC, etc. would say one thing only to change or recant later. Examples - masks, asymptomatic spread, virus on surfaces, bad tests, false positives, dying with vs from, on and on.
To add some tin foil. I believe covid would not have been as bad under Hillary, Obama, or Biden. Why? Because the media would have ignored it for the most part. Half the deaths would have been recorded as something else. The testing would not have been as wide. Virus would have been the same, media would have handled it very different.
Just comparing to response during H1N1.
This post, without saying it, does show how the media can easily hype the issue into something bad, both in covid and riots. This is where the distrust comes from. Several times Fauci, WHO, CDC, etc. would say one thing only to change or recant later. Examples - masks, asymptomatic spread, virus on surfaces, bad tests, false positives, dying with vs from, on and on.
To add some tin foil. I believe covid would not have been as bad under Hillary, Obama, or Biden. Why? Because the media would have ignored it for the most part. Half the deaths would have been recorded as something else. The testing would not have been as wide. Virus would have been the same, media would have handled it very different.
Just comparing to response during H1N1.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:12 am to TulaneLSU
Let me tell you frickwards in your 20s and 30s something. Those of you that live long enough to make the 50s may as well learn this now.
Life is hard, shite happens, car wrecks, bad genes, doctors frick up, etc . Every time you party all night, get wasted, etc eventually catches up to you. There is no ducking thing as a free lunch.
Almost everyone that makes it to high 50s or so, has some type of preexisting or underlying condition. Even the ones the don’t often drop dead of massive heart attacks, like my buddy that ran 5 ‘miles a day and still benched 350 3 weeks after scoring perfect on a physical.
This is what happens as you age.
Life is hard, shite happens, car wrecks, bad genes, doctors frick up, etc . Every time you party all night, get wasted, etc eventually catches up to you. There is no ducking thing as a free lunch.
Almost everyone that makes it to high 50s or so, has some type of preexisting or underlying condition. Even the ones the don’t often drop dead of massive heart attacks, like my buddy that ran 5 ‘miles a day and still benched 350 3 weeks after scoring perfect on a physical.
This is what happens as you age.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:31 am to TH03
Got a cut from shaving.... I got the COVID
I called CDC and reported
I now have to quarantine for 14 days because of the little cut I got on my chin
I called CDC and reported
I now have to quarantine for 14 days because of the little cut I got on my chin
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:48 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
Every time you party all night, get wasted
I'm fricked
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:08 am to RealDawg
quote:
200,000 MORE people have died already in the US than the last 3 years. Facts.
That's not what you're graph is saying.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:08 am to Outboard
Half this board likely has underlying conditions lol.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 3:25 am to noonan
Yes it is.
There have been 200,000 more deaths through 31 weeks on 2020 than the average for the 3 years prior at the same point.
There have been 200,000 more deaths through 31 weeks on 2020 than the average for the 3 years prior at the same point.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 3:33 am to wt9
The conspiracy “stuff” generally ignores that this virus is killing the same percentages of people in countries across the world. It has not one frick to do with who is President or what plans happened before.
The virus also gives a frick about the media. Trump’s relationship with them didn’t help public perception but in the end, I don’t think it would have changed anything.
How the deaths are coded is the same way they code all diseases. Just look through the 60,000 ICD -10 codes.
Spain, Sweden and the US all handled things very differently and all nearing the same number of deaths per million.
The virus also gives a frick about the media. Trump’s relationship with them didn’t help public perception but in the end, I don’t think it would have changed anything.
How the deaths are coded is the same way they code all diseases. Just look through the 60,000 ICD -10 codes.
Spain, Sweden and the US all handled things very differently and all nearing the same number of deaths per million.
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