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re: CDC 94% of Covid deaths in the US had underlying medical conditions!
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:49 am to Brightside Bengal
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:49 am to Brightside Bengal
quote:I don't think they had it coming. BUT with the fact that obesity is a high risk factor for you overall heath, they've now had 6 months to work on their weight. They've had every opportunity to eat better and get up off their asses in a focused effort to lose weight.
Whether it’s right or wrong, I think the mentality is that those who are obese and die of covid “had it coming.”
Lose the weight and watch the diabetes, high blood pressure and high blood sugar problems reduce drastically or vanish completely.
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Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:52 am to Bonkers119
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You act like this a reasonable thing that can be done.
Is it therefore more reasonable to shut down the world, preventing people from working, kids from going to school, and criminalizing not wearing masks, for months on end with no goal in mind, other than the moving goalposts of "no cases" or "until a vaccine," while causing foreseeable harm to mental health, physical health, and economies?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:57 am to RT1941
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I don't think they had it coming. BUT with the fact that obesity is a high risk factor for you overall heath, they've now had 6 months to work on their weight. They've had every opportunity to eat better and get up off their asses in a focused effort to lose weight.
To take this further, this group of people generally speaking haven't put their health as a priority so its absurd expect us as a society to shut down for them. Its basically asking society to make up for their inability to do it themselves.
If people were at a reasonable weight and didn't smoke, Covid would be much less of a concern. Those two in themselves are very easy to control.
Instead we had to shut society down.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 11:58 am to baldona
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At least 50% if not closer to 80-90% of the time that "hoax" is used its sarcasm
I also like to just make up numbers from thin air.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:09 pm to RealDawg
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Every single major country in the world is going through this at some level.
And media outlets and governments around the world are starting to question things and admit mistakes. When will our media and government do the same? Here is a recent example from the BBC.
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200,000 MORE people have died already in the US than the last 3 years. Facts.
And I'm sure the last three years were below the average, particularly the last two flu season. What do you think the number Is going to do to finish out the year and into the beginning of next year?
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Entirely too many educated, grown arse people buying into conspiracy crap.
Entirely too many educated, grown arse people buying into mass hysteria and government oppression using faulty scientific models as justification, and weaponizing science for political gain (not a new thing).
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:24 pm to Outboard
This is how everyone knows that Trumpsters are gullible, ignorant morons.
Unless you died of physical trauma (car accident, gunshot, etc.), almost all deaths have more than one contributing factor.
Also, the data shows that there have been over 200k more deaths this year than normal, meaning the impact of Covid is probably being under-reported.
Unless you died of physical trauma (car accident, gunshot, etc.), almost all deaths have more than one contributing factor.
Also, the data shows that there have been over 200k more deaths this year than normal, meaning the impact of Covid is probably being under-reported.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:25 pm to Outboard
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:53 pm to noonan
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hat's a sneaky way to make things seem worse than they are and if you have to resort to those tactics then there's something wrong with your message.
I am not trying to make things seem any way. People keep doing there best to say people aren't dying. Its the same people as normal with the flu. You perhaps don't want it to be true. These are the numbers. CDC has been clear these increases are related to Covid..otherwise..you explain the 12% increase in deaths?? They have been clear about the connections to age and it killing people that are compromised.
200,000 MORE people have died than the last three year average at this point. We best hope it is Covid or otherwise we really are screwed.
I averaged out the last three years to take away from some of the annual variation. Here is that for each year.
[/url][/img] Year Annual Change
2015 6.33%
2016 -0.33%
2017 3.52%
2018 1.88%
2019 -0.44%
2020 11.50%
AND no, population increases aren't factored in. US has growth less than 1% in population each of these years.
It would be one thing if dozens of countries around the world (Spain, Italy, Sweden, whoever) aren't seeing the same levels of death increases related to Covid and that every major world health organization wasn't saying the same thing.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 12:58 pm to RealDawg
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These are the numbers. CDC has been clear these increases are related to Covid..otherwise..you explain the 12% increase in deaths
I mean you do see the 5.33% increase from 2014 to 2015 also right? And you understand this would be absurd to truly analyse without having at least 2-3 more years in the future to consider?
Again, no one is saying Covid has 0 effect on people. What we are saying is 200,000 potential extra deaths when you have over 330 million people isn't substantial enough to shut society down.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:01 pm to TH03
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And yet they still died of Covid, not the underlying conditions.
Wanna bet? I'll ban bet you that if you remove the people who had covid listed on their death certs from the likes of people who died of heart disease, you will see a drop in heart disease deaths in 2020.
extrapolate that to all other diagnosed co-morbidities as well
You in?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
How is this dumbass debunked thread still going? Oh because the truth disagrees with the poli board.. Carry on
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:03 pm to baldona
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Again, no one is saying Covid has 0 effect on people. What we are saying is 200,000 potential extra deaths when you have over 330 million people isn't substantial enough to shut society down.
I haven't said shut society down. I would really like my job bacK!
We have to come to a realistic place on how to handle this until there is a vaccine.
We can't get to that place if people want to pretend like it doesn't exist. I would say doubling the largest increase in the last 6 years is pretty damn relevant given we don't have a way yet to make it stop just slow it down.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:06 pm to RealDawg
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200,000 MORE people have died already in the US than the last 3 years. Facts.
we don't have a huge generation of boomers reaching average lifespan age or anything
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:10 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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we don't have a huge generation of boomers reaching average lifespan age or anything
Keep trying.
Yes, they all just started knocking off in March completely unrelated to a world wide virus.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:16 pm to RealDawg
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Keep trying.
Yes, they all just started knocking off in March completely unrelated to a world wide virus.
I'd love to know the source of your info, as the CDC doesn't have final death data for 2019 on their website
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:22 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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And I'm sure the last three years were below the average, particularly the last two flu season. What do you think the number Is going to do to finish out the year and into the beginning of next year?
I posted the total deaths. We are already double the highest increase in recent years.
What happens next we will see in real time. Hopefully, antibodies will have a lasting impact with young people back in school and that will mitigate the onset of flu season. Plus, all the safety precautions in place should in fact also help to minimize impact of flu season.
I honestly think after looking at Sweden and some other countries that if we continue to take basic precautions and protect the most at risk the deaths won't spike again.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:24 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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I'd love to know the source of your info, as the CDC doesn't have final death data for 2019 on their website
Yes. Yes they do.
LINK
Posted on 8/31/20 at 1:32 pm to RealDawg
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I honestly think after looking at Sweden and some other countries that if we continue to take basic precautions and protect the most at risk the deaths won't spike again.
The wildcard is going to be flu season. How bad will it be, how aggressive will the strains be, etc.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 2:00 pm to baldona
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At least 50% if not closer to 80-90% of the time that "hoax" is used its sarcasm. Almost no one thinks Covid is absolutely nothing. The far left is being just as absurd, so the far right is calling it a "hoax" mostly out of sarcasm to pull things back to reality to some degree.
I feel bad for you if you are that ignorant to not understand this.
Sure. Your exact words were “no one is saying COVID is a hoax.” If you had said “tons of people are saying COVID is a hoax but at least half of them are being sarcastic,” maybe your response would make sense. When people were screaming about how COVID would kill 8 million Americans back in March/April, I called them out as well. Although I don’t recall any of them going “hurr durr we were just kidding” when they realized they were wrong.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 2:35 pm to Outboard
Ihhh.
So why would the U.S death rate be any lower than other civilized countries?
So why would the U.S death rate be any lower than other civilized countries?
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