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re: Cali Law Review Advocates using Black English for Lawyers.

Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:19 am to
Posted by Shorts Guy
BR
Member since Dec 2023
864 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:19 am to
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Black English


Otherwise known as incorrect English.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14409 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:26 am to
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I read this as lawyers should learn hood ebonics so they can better represent their black criminal defendants.


On one hand I get it, if you are going to represent criminal defendants you should be versed enough in their slang to be able to accurately understand what they are saying.

On the other, the courts, prosecution, and jury shouldn't have to need a translator to understand English. If you can't present your case clearly, including soliciting testimony from witnesses that is clear and articulate, then you haven't done your job as an attorney.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6538 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:28 am to
Dang it, can't post the "I speak jive" gif from Airplane.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23426 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:30 am to
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I legitimately don't know the difference in those


Stewardess, I speak jive:

I think "he at work" is the present tense: he is at work.
"He be at work" is a continuous tense. Not necessarily now, but in an ongoing way.
This post was edited on 7/17/26 at 9:31 am
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
3642 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:32 am to
Yeah, I don’t think this book is bad as much as the very fact that this book needed to be written is bad.

This book could seriously be fairly useful for criminal defense attorneys. It also could be useful for lawyers defending black clients in civil cases. They need to understand what the hell their client is saying.


But it’s pretty bad that so many black people don’t know English, which forces this book to be written.
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2520 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
Member since Dec 2025
2415 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:57 am to
I giggled coffee out of my nose.
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
47929 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:57 am to
Exactly, I found the article completely reasonable.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34489 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:01 am to
Just sent this to my lawyer buddy... Got him on a rant about how fricked up lawyers are...

He's sending it to all of his colleagues...
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36278 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:12 am to
I want a Lawyer Dawg.

Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40622 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:14 am to
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Differences between language varieties in sounds and grammar can change and have changed the outcome of cases: “He at work” and “He be at work” mean two completely different things.


1. he is actually at work

2. he claims to be work, that is what he said but if you find his arse let me know
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
38984 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:17 am to
Words have color???
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36251 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:25 am to
Now do possessives. It's like Chinese arithmetic to some people.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
157084 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:33 am to
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“He at work” and “He be at work”
Never heard these phrases from any black person

Then you haven’t hung around many.

However, in all my experiences with black people, especially in a work environment, those two things do actually mean the same thing. No idea what the article means by saying they aren’t.
Posted by dat yat
Chef Pass
Member since Jun 2011
5025 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:33 am to
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“He at work” and “He be at work” mean two completely different things.


If not for Tigerdroppings, I would have never googled this and learned how efficient AAVE be.

quote:

In African American Vernacular English (AAVE), the phrases "He be at work" and "He at work" (which omits the "is") communicate completely different timeframes. The difference relies on grammatical rules involving habitual aspect versus temporary, ongoing action.1. "He be at work" (Habitual or Intermittent State)Using the uninflected "be" (the habitual "be") indicates a recurring, ongoing, or permanent reality. It means he is usually or consistently at his job as a habit.Meaning: "He works here regularly/usually," or "He is at work most of the time."Example: If someone asks, "Where is your brother on weekdays?", the answer "He be at work" means he is at his job routinely.2. "He at work" (Immediate, Temporary Action)Omitting the verb altogether (known as "zero copula") indicates that the action or state is happening right now.Meaning: "He is at work at this exact moment".Example: If someone asks, "Can you call him right now?", the answer "He at work" signifies he is currently clocked in, but it doesn't mean it's his daily routine or habitual schedule.AAVE vs. Standard EnglishIn traditional Standard English, both of these contexts are expressed using the "to be" verb in the present tense (e.g., "He is at work"). Standard English requires extra phrasing (such as adding "usually" or "every day") to capture the habitual meaning that AAVE conveys with a single word.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10894 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:12 am to
Why does everything have to be dumbed down for them? Maybe if they spoke and understood proper English they would understand the laws they are breaking better in the first place.

Regardless it should not be called black English as plenty of British blacks and non-ghetto blacks speak proper English. Just call it what it is - Ghetto Trash English.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36679 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:17 am to
Isn't this special treatment rather than everyone being treated equally?
Posted by LSU Tiger Eyes
Key Biscayne, FL
Member since Sep 2003
4079 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:19 am to
Thanks for posting OP! But as soon as I saw "California Law," I stopped reading.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
81862 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:20 am to
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On one hand I get it, if you are going to represent criminal defendants you should be versed enough in their slang to be able to accurately understand what they are saying.


I know plenty of Black people and 100% of them are capable of communicating in standard English when needed.

Where are the people who can neither communicate in English nor explain to their lawyer what a slang term means?
Posted by Disco Ball
Denham Springs
Member since May 2025
1769 posts
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:32 am to
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