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re: Cali Law Review Advocates using Black English for Lawyers.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:19 am to prplhze2000
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:19 am to prplhze2000
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Black English
Otherwise known as incorrect English.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:26 am to CatfishJohn
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I read this as lawyers should learn hood ebonics so they can better represent their black criminal defendants.
On one hand I get it, if you are going to represent criminal defendants you should be versed enough in their slang to be able to accurately understand what they are saying.
On the other, the courts, prosecution, and jury shouldn't have to need a translator to understand English. If you can't present your case clearly, including soliciting testimony from witnesses that is clear and articulate, then you haven't done your job as an attorney.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:28 am to prplhze2000
Dang it, can't post the "I speak jive" gif from Airplane.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:30 am to CatfishJohn
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I legitimately don't know the difference in those
Stewardess, I speak jive:
I think "he at work" is the present tense: he is at work.
"He be at work" is a continuous tense. Not necessarily now, but in an ongoing way.
This post was edited on 7/17/26 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:32 am to CatfishJohn
Yeah, I don’t think this book is bad as much as the very fact that this book needed to be written is bad.
This book could seriously be fairly useful for criminal defense attorneys. It also could be useful for lawyers defending black clients in civil cases. They need to understand what the hell their client is saying.
But it’s pretty bad that so many black people don’t know English, which forces this book to be written.
This book could seriously be fairly useful for criminal defense attorneys. It also could be useful for lawyers defending black clients in civil cases. They need to understand what the hell their client is saying.
But it’s pretty bad that so many black people don’t know English, which forces this book to be written.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:57 am to MRTigerFan
I giggled coffee out of my nose.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 9:57 am to CatfishJohn
Exactly, I found the article completely reasonable.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:01 am to prplhze2000
Just sent this to my lawyer buddy... Got him on a rant about how fricked up lawyers are...
He's sending it to all of his colleagues...
He's sending it to all of his colleagues...
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:14 am to prplhze2000
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Differences between language varieties in sounds and grammar can change and have changed the outcome of cases: “He at work” and “He be at work” mean two completely different things.
1. he is actually at work
2. he claims to be work, that is what he said but if you find his arse let me know
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Now do possessives. It's like Chinese arithmetic to some people.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:33 am to Disco Ball
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“He at work” and “He be at work”
Never heard these phrases from any black person
Then you haven’t hung around many.
However, in all my experiences with black people, especially in a work environment, those two things do actually mean the same thing. No idea what the article means by saying they aren’t.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 10:33 am to prplhze2000
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“He at work” and “He be at work” mean two completely different things.
If not for Tigerdroppings, I would have never googled this and learned how efficient AAVE be.
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In African American Vernacular English (AAVE), the phrases "He be at work" and "He at work" (which omits the "is") communicate completely different timeframes. The difference relies on grammatical rules involving habitual aspect versus temporary, ongoing action.1. "He be at work" (Habitual or Intermittent State)Using the uninflected "be" (the habitual "be") indicates a recurring, ongoing, or permanent reality. It means he is usually or consistently at his job as a habit.Meaning: "He works here regularly/usually," or "He is at work most of the time."Example: If someone asks, "Where is your brother on weekdays?", the answer "He be at work" means he is at his job routinely.2. "He at work" (Immediate, Temporary Action)Omitting the verb altogether (known as "zero copula") indicates that the action or state is happening right now.Meaning: "He is at work at this exact moment".Example: If someone asks, "Can you call him right now?", the answer "He at work" signifies he is currently clocked in, but it doesn't mean it's his daily routine or habitual schedule.AAVE vs. Standard EnglishIn traditional Standard English, both of these contexts are expressed using the "to be" verb in the present tense (e.g., "He is at work"). Standard English requires extra phrasing (such as adding "usually" or "every day") to capture the habitual meaning that AAVE conveys with a single word.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:12 am to prplhze2000
Why does everything have to be dumbed down for them? Maybe if they spoke and understood proper English they would understand the laws they are breaking better in the first place.
Regardless it should not be called black English as plenty of British blacks and non-ghetto blacks speak proper English. Just call it what it is - Ghetto Trash English.
Regardless it should not be called black English as plenty of British blacks and non-ghetto blacks speak proper English. Just call it what it is - Ghetto Trash English.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:17 am to prplhze2000
Isn't this special treatment rather than everyone being treated equally?
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:19 am to prplhze2000
Thanks for posting OP! But as soon as I saw "California Law," I stopped reading.
Posted on 7/17/26 at 11:20 am to lionward2014
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On one hand I get it, if you are going to represent criminal defendants you should be versed enough in their slang to be able to accurately understand what they are saying.
I know plenty of Black people and 100% of them are capable of communicating in standard English when needed.
Where are the people who can neither communicate in English nor explain to their lawyer what a slang term means?
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