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Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:58 pm to DeafJam73
This isn’t hard, obviously they could see the gun hence the numerous “drop the gun” commands.
First thing to do is always neutralize the imminent threat to themselves and others, before giving orders to take into custody.
First thing to do is always neutralize the imminent threat to themselves and others, before giving orders to take into custody.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:05 pm to DeafJam73
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Maybe an LEO can calrify this, but why didn’t they command him to lay down with his hands on his head? Commanding him to put the gun down means he has to reach for it, unless he already had it in his, but I couldn’t clearly see his hands in the video. It appeared to be in his jacket.
My initial reaction in real time was that at some point it may have been beneficial to swap out from screaming the same command to trying to calm the situation. Lower voice, more specific and directed calls to action.
It always worries me when we see police on level 12 intensity. I guess sometimes it commands respect but generally I think it puts everyone on edge which is not ideal when there are guns everywhere.
Easy to second guess though.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:05 pm to Mootsman
Now that’s what you call a daiquiri with a double shot.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:08 pm to HogBalls
Yeah, holding a gun in that situation is pretty much suicide by cop. Maybe strung out, incapacitated, but results are the same...
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:16 pm to slackster
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There is body camera footage out there that proves you incorrect.
You can follow their overly complicated orders and still get shot.
How about this? Don't go to a private business waving a fricking gun around trying to start shite with people.
Can't believe people are sticking up for a dude that intended on using that gun on someone.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:18 pm to NoSaint
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My initial reaction in real time was that at some point it may have been beneficial to swap out from screaming the same command to trying to calm the situation. Lower voice, more specific and directed calls to action.
It always worries me when we see police on level 12 intensity. I guess sometimes it commands respect but generally I think it puts everyone on edge which is not ideal when there are guns everywhere.
Easy to second guess though.
Pretty much how I feel. I feel like there is a better approach that wasn’t used, but I’m not the one there. The brain kind of gets mushy when the adrenaline is pumping.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:44 pm to TH03
Not assuming anything,I watched the video several times. While it is true they told him “ 58” times to put it down,it is also true that it appears he was putting it down. My stand is that he was putting something down when he was shot. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t told. That may be too complex for you to understand. You sound like the people that hear someone say something true about our President and automatically holler “ but Obama,but Hillary “. Stay on point.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:52 pm to Bigfishchoupique
I'm pretty pro-police on most things given the situations they're put in, but I don't like the look of this one.
I can't imagine being in that position and actually attempting to comply with her orders while she's freaking out, knowing if you make a move she's going to blast you. No specific orders were given in a calm, direct manner like was mentioned earlier in the thread.
The other aspect (whether mitigating or not) is what if you are impaired when you have this encounter (hallway kid who got blasted by the AR)? That's the one that really made me think about it. Having seen that video, it might make me hesitate in the moment (like he did here) and just freeze up.
I can't imagine being in that position and actually attempting to comply with her orders while she's freaking out, knowing if you make a move she's going to blast you. No specific orders were given in a calm, direct manner like was mentioned earlier in the thread.
The other aspect (whether mitigating or not) is what if you are impaired when you have this encounter (hallway kid who got blasted by the AR)? That's the one that really made me think about it. Having seen that video, it might make me hesitate in the moment (like he did here) and just freeze up.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:06 pm to Proximo
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No specific orders were given in a calm, direct manner like was mentioned earlier in the thread.
Want to know how I know you have never been in a gun fight? You pull and level on someone you are not going to be doing shite in a calm, direct manner - that is TV bullshite. I can't wrap my head around the morons on this forum willing to jump to the defense of an armed thug over a uniformed police officer doing her job. He was given 58 chances to comply with law enforcement, his responsibility - no on else's, period. He chose to put a pistol in his pocket and leave the house, he chose to pull a pistol on unarmed folks in a Burger King, he chose not to listen to the police - get the F outta here with your Monday morning quarterbacking when the most dangerous thing you do on a daily basis is drive to your office job.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:08 pm to CamdenTiger
If you end up in a confrontation situation with the cops where you are openly carrying a firearm, you are already at about 50/50 odds of surviving the encounter. The longer it continues without obeying their instructions, the worse the odds of living to see another day get.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:13 pm to 10MTNTiger
okay, leg. you can resort to namecalling in a discussion all you want but it only reinforces the notion that you're too slow and dumb for anything else.Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:15 pm to cable
quote:this. if I am in an confrontation, I have a gun and the police show up. The first thing I am doing is getting away from the gun.
If you end up in a confrontation situation with the cops where you are openly carrying a firearm, you are already at about 50/50 odds of surviving the encounter. The longer it continues without obeying their instructions, the worse the odds of living to see another day get.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:29 pm to 10MTNTiger
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Want to know how I know you have never been in a gun fight? You pull and level on someone you are not going to be doing shite in a calm, direct manner - that is TV bullshite. I can't wrap my head around the morons on this forum willing to jump to the defense of an armed thug over a uniformed police officer doing her job. He was given 58 chances to comply with law enforcement, his responsibility - no on else's, period. He chose to put a pistol in his pocket and leave the house, he chose to pull a pistol on unarmed folks in a Burger King, he chose not to listen to the police - get the F outta here with your Monday morning quarterbacking when the most dangerous thing you do on a daily basis is drive to your office job.
First BTDT and I agree it is hard to keep your cool, in fact often when it is over and you think you were being calm and collected you realize you are hoarse because you were screaming your head off.
The first issue I saw was the poor use of cover, the female officer could have used the car to her right. This along with the other cop using the car the suspect was crotched beside would have made it nearly impossible for him to turn and fire effectively before he could have been engaged.
I understand that he had been told numerous times to put down the gun, drop the gun, drop the weapon but during the time they were still repeating it he slowly and in a controlled manner began to set the gun down. He was holding the pistol by the slide with the grip "pointing" down and away from his hand. So he complied in a controlled manner albeit late but still being during the time there were continuing to tell him too.
Different people will see it differently, primarily based on the extra seconds it took him to comply, but it is hard to argue that he was not attempting to comply when he was shot and the speed and manner of his movements were about as much as one could expect. While the gravity is much different it is similar to arguing about a real-time call by a ref, it is clear they were wrong in slow motion, but not so clear in real-time. In the end, people usually "see" what they want to see.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:39 pm to NoSaint
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My initial reaction in real time was that at some point it may have been beneficial to swap out from screaming the same command to trying to calm the situation. Lower voice, more specific and directed calls to action.
It always worries me when we see police on level 12 intensity. I guess sometimes it commands respect but generally I think it puts everyone on edge which is not ideal when there are guns everywhere.
You are not figuring in the stress the officer is in.
You are engaging an armed suspect who has been threatening people with a gun....you heart is racing and your blood pressure is spiked. And it is scary as shite.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:06 pm to Mootsman
I shot a fire.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:13 pm to dgnx6
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How about this? Don't go to a private business waving a fricking gun around trying to start shite with people.
Can't believe people are sticking up for a dude that intended on using that gun on someone.
Strawman. People aren't sticking up for anything he did prior to the cop interaction.
Either you are principled about this kind of stuff or you're not. Surely you have the critical thinking capacity to separate the events.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:21 pm to 10MTNTiger
quote:They shot his the SECOND he moved.
He was given 58 chances to comply with law enforcement, his responsibility - no on else's, period.
Don’t we have to assume they would have shot him on the 4th chance the exact same way they shot him on the 58th chance?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:24 pm to Epic Cajun
I honestly thought y’all were exaggerating when y’all said they told him to drop it 20 times. Y’all weren’t.
It looks like he went to put it down but he did so very quickly without telling them what he was doing after being told to drop it a lot. This is a shitty outcome to the shitty situation but I’m not sure you can really ask a cop to handle it differently.
It looks like he went to put it down but he did so very quickly without telling them what he was doing after being told to drop it a lot. This is a shitty outcome to the shitty situation but I’m not sure you can really ask a cop to handle it differently.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:28 pm to ReauxlTide222
Watching the video (which no background knowledge) I thought for sure it was going to be a suicide by cop when he wasn’t really reacting to their shouts.
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