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re: AP: Parisians vote to hit SUVs with eye-popping parking costs in latest green drive before
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why does an urbanite who pushes for urban transportation live in a suburb that doesn't offer it?
I know how he can fix that. But he would rather virtue signal.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:42 am to jclem11
This is why we don’t see good travel ball players out of France
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:46 am to jclem11
quote:One of the legion of reasons to hesitate to help the French if Germany ever regains their national manhood and conquers France again.
arrondissements
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:47 am to jclem11
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Proposed map of US high speed rail:
Have you ever encountered the quality of people that would be employed at the hubs in the South East portion of that map? Specifically Nola, Jackson, Mobile, BHam and Memphis?
You want to know why we can't have nice things....because of that.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:49 am to jclem11
I am all for urban improvement, especially in those cities that are most densely populated, although I do believe some American cities lend themselves better to that than others
However, travel infrastructure in the US and Europe are not comparable, and I think most Europeans will tell you that
However, travel infrastructure in the US and Europe are not comparable, and I think most Europeans will tell you that
quote:"Unenumerated rights are legal rights inferred from other rights that are implied by existing laws, such as in written constitutions, but are not themselves expressly coded or "enumerated" within the explicit writ of the law"
Ahh yes. I must have missed the sacred right to a personal automobile in the US Constitution
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:50 am to ThePoo
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However, travel infrastructure and Europe are not comparable, and I think most Europeans will tell you that
Indeed.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:54 am to elprez00
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You should care. Expect to see this here soon
Out of town SUVs having to pay 3x parking rates is coming soon?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:56 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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local governments/municipalities making these decisions is bad too, apparently
The area I live in has permanently shut down some sections of road to make the area more walkable. It is really nice. You see a lot more people and families outside. The businesses around that area seem to be benefitting as well. It's nice not having to dodge cars while walking around.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:58 am to Old Money
quote:they did this all over in NYC during covid and ended up sticking with it and some of those blocks are awesome. deliveries during the day but completely blocked off at night.
The area I live in has permanently shut down some sections of road to make the area more walkable. It is really nice. You see a lot more people and families outside. The businesses around that area seem to be benefitting as well. It's nice not having to dodge cars while walking around.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:03 am to Old Money
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The area I live in has permanently shut down some sections of road to make the area more walkable. It is really nice. You see a lot more people and families outside. The businesses around that area seem to be benefitting as well. It's nice not having to dodge cars while walking around.
You frickin commie! Get out of here with your pedestrian and family-friendly public spaces.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:21 am to elprez00
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More than 54% of the votes cast in the low-turnout election supported the measure to triple parking fees for large SUV drivers from out of town to 18 euros ($19.50) per hour in the city’s center, according to official results from City Hall.
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You should care. Expect to see this here soon
I hope not. I never have Euros on hand to pay for parking. Is there a big history of us following what they do in Paris?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:34 am to jclem11
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Europe and the U.S. are fairly similar in size with Europe (including Iceland) being slightly larger.
Population of European nations in 2023: 742 Million
Population of United States in 2023: 336 million.
Additionally, our population centers are not nearly as dense as those of Europe.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:42 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Population of European nations in 2023: 742 Million
Population of United States in 2023: 336 million.
Additionally, our population centers are not nearly as dense as those of Europe.
This is a much more fair critique. A public transit option for the US has to account for these and plan accordingly if it's going to be useful. It's also why I'm not sold on a nationwide high speed rail network but would opt for local and regional legs. No one's taking a train from San Diego to Jacksonville over a flight, but Houston to New Orleans? Count me in.
It's also why local transit is so important. There's no use in getting somewhere if you have to rent a car once you get off at your stop.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:43 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Additionally, our population centers are not nearly as dense as those of Europe.
Funnily enough, an American city that is WAY more dense than most european cities took measures to reduce car traffic in its most dense areas and people on this board still complained about it.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:47 am to Ingeniero
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This is a much more fair critique. A public transit option for the US has to account for these and plan accordingly if it's going to be useful. It's also why I'm not sold on a nationwide high speed rail network but would opt for local and regional legs. No one's taking a train from San Diego to Jacksonville over a flight, but Houston to New Orleans? Count me in.
Agreed. Regional railway systems make much more sense than an LA to Jacksonville line.
I was just illustrating that it can be done in the US but likely would not have enough ridership on the longer legs to make it make sense over air travel.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:06 pm to LSUballs
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You should care. Expect to see this here soon Where should I expect to see this soon?
California. Austin
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:08 pm to jclem11
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This thread is more about how a small minority of voters have made a huge impact on the city. Just happened that the policy change impacted the large SUVs the OT loves. A perfect storm of a thread for me.
Yeah I agree with you on how such a small number of voters were able to pass such a law. And your right it highlights the importance of voting.
You have a right not to vote if you choose not to, but you can’t complain about the consequences of the election.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:08 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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This is just another one of those threads where the vocal contingent of people who HATE cities and think they are congested, dirty, ugly, crime ridden shitholes are opposed to ANYTHING outside of the status quo.
I dislike most of Europe because it has been overrun with Aloha Snackbars.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:08 pm to jclem11
I don’t know how many people bitching in this thread have actually been to Paris but those streets are in fact small as shite. Many were not designed with cars of this size in mind (or cars at all).
I felt like I was going to die pretty much anytime my cab driver had to navigate around a bus or other large vehicle in the middle of traffic. Less large vehicles parked on the street is good.
I felt like I was going to die pretty much anytime my cab driver had to navigate around a bus or other large vehicle in the middle of traffic. Less large vehicles parked on the street is good.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:20 pm to jclem11
Was fortunate to spend two weeks in Italy. Amazingly beautiful cities and towns. They were not built for large vehicles. Really only saw compact cars, scooters and bikes. I believe most of those historic cities lose their aesthetic appeal when large trucks and SUVs are traveling about within the city center.
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