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re: AP: Parisians vote to hit SUVs with eye-popping parking costs in latest green drive before
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:59 am to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:59 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Did you notice how they never incentivize behaviors by REDUCING a tax or fee
I’ve never noticed that because it’s patently false.
Are you fricking retarded? Serious question.
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I think what you are probably intentionally ignoring is that it's not about the vehicle, it's about the government 1) wanting to dictate more and more aspects of our lives, 2) expand their control over the populace, and 3) take more and more of what the public has.
Damn if only they could have had an opportunity to vote it down…
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:02 am to Chucktown_Badger
The UK has a bike to work plan that gets you reduced cost on your initial purchase, rebates for gear, etc. I have friends that have bought commuter bikes with it. It's a subsidy, so I'm not sure why you'd exclude those, but it's absolutely an incentive. I feel like that would be despised here though. "Why am I paying for some fig's bike hobby with MY taxes?!"
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:03 am to Chucktown_Badger
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I think what you are probably intentionally ignoring is that it's not about the vehicle,
Did you not read my OP?
From the OP:
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For all you voting doesn't matter baws this story proves that you are wrong. Only 5.7% of the 1.3 million eligible voters cast ballots and are changing local politics.
The main point of my OP was that a small number of dedicated individuals can have an outsized impact on local policies. It just so happened that the story that illustrates this increases taxes on SUVs, which I knew would rustle the OT's jimmies.
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it's about the government 1) wanting to dictate more and more aspects of our lives,
The referendum was put up for a vote and the people, albeit a small part of the populace, voted to enact the policy.
Do you hate democracy and open elections?
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2) expand their control over the populace,
see above.
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3) take more and more of what the public has.
see above.
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Did you notice how they never incentivize behaviors by REDUCING a tax or fee (and govt subsidies don't count here)?
Wat? EITC? Child tax credit? R&D Tax Credit?
There are myriads of ways the government incentivizing behavior via tax credits.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:04 am to Ingeniero
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It's a subsidy, so I'm not sure why you'd exclude those,
Because the subsidy is taxpayer money.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:08 am to Ingeniero
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"Why am I paying for some fig's bike hobby with MY taxes?!"
Holden yelling into his phone sitting in his F-250 with his $5K annual tax liability.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:09 am to willymeaux
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Just when we thought the French were waking up.
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The French are. Parisians, not so much.
Or at least 2.5% of them are not waking up based on voter turnout. They do the same thing in the US with low voter turnout elections. Put your constitutional amendments and tax increases on the ballot in some random February election and have 5% of the voters turn out and approve everything. Louisiana does it every year.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:10 am to jclem11
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ETA: I am beset by tiredness at the OT's braindead urban planning takes.
I don't even think there is a valid argument in saying our urban planning is good here.
Another fun topic is to start talking about personal freedoms. You quickly see people who want to limit others freedoms based on what makes them uncomfortable, or what the bible says. Very
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:10 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Because the subsidy is taxpayer money.
I mean, I'm all for making an impact-based pay scale for taxes. Hell, everything. Obese people people with heavy vehicles (yes, you can include EVs) can pay more for health insurance and road taxes, healthy bike commuters can pay close to zero. I have a feeling the OT wouldn't like where they fall on that scale either, though.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:10 am to jclem11
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is more accessible and gets me to my destinations faster I most certainly would. Driving is a very inefficient use of one's time.
Beats the hell out of passively sitting on a bench next to some frick pissing his pants.
You'll take your car too. So much freedom, so few unemployed people.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:19 am to Old Money
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I don't even think there is a valid argument in saying our urban planning is good here.
Urban planning sucks in America for the most part unquestionably. Any attempts to correct the issue and make cities more people friendly and promote other modes of transport are met with tremendous knee jerk backlash and squels of "communism".
Just look at the malding here in this thread.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:22 am to jclem11
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Urban planning sucks in America for the most part unquestionably
We organically built around vehicle paths, not horse carts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:23 am to jclem11
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Any attempts to correct the issue and make cities more people friendly and promote other modes of transport are met with tremendous knee jerk backlash and squels of "communism".
Roger called me a virtue signaller earlier because I don't use public transit...that doesn't exist in my city
It's like asking why doesn't he take any of the New Orleans style street cars to work in Alaska. Virtue signaller!
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:23 am to Old Money
quote:local governments/municipalities making these decisions is bad too, apparently
You quickly see people who want to limit others freedoms based on what makes them uncomfortable
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:25 am to Ingeniero
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Roger called me a virtue signaller earlier because I don't use public transit..
Sure. You pretend to advocate for them, yet you commute like all normies
What gives? You chose to commute to work.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We organically built around vehicle paths, not horse carts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. You pretend to advocate for them, yet you commute like all normies
What gives? You chose to commute to work.
Are you seriously asking why I don't use something that doesn't exist?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. You pretend to advocate for them, yet you commute like all normies
How does one use a service that does not exist?
Drunk at 7:36 AM is no way to go through life.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:this might make sense if there was public transit from the northshore to the city
What gives? You chose to commute to work.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:39 am to jclem11
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How does one use a service that does not exist?
Why does an urbanite who pushes for urban transportation live in a suburb that doesn't offer it?
I know how he can fix that. But he would rather virtue signal.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:40 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Did you notice how they never incentivize behaviors by REDUCING a tax or fee (and govt subsidies don't count here)? Funny how that works.
In Alabama they have well-publicized tax holidays for things like back-to-school shopping and hurricane supplies.
While in reality the reason is likely to appease the businesses, this at least symbolically incentivizes the behavior of being prepared for school and storms.
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