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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t

Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:19 pm to
That fricker was in a crackhouse selling crack when the cops raided it and were killed.

Use twice the lethal amount to make sure the injection doesn't fail.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:20 pm to
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That witness clearly indicates that it was planned


No it doesn't. It was a crack house. The guy was likely a crack head that did not want to get tied up in a crack house that he thought was about to be raided.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28663 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:22 pm to
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Because there's a difference in a life sentence and the death penalty. If we're going to have the death penalty, it should be reserved for clear cut cases of heinous acts. I don't think from what I've read in this case there is enough justification to kill this convict, nor really enough evidence he was as involved in the killings as the state claims, but I wouldn't argue against a life sentence for his involvement.



If you don't think that him planning the ambush and instructing him is worth of the death penalty, then I don't know what to tell you.

Because it sure as hell is.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:23 pm to
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The guy was likely a crack head that did not want to get tied up in a crack house that he thought was about to be raided.

Your own linked article says he was selling crack, you disingenuous piece of shite...

ETA: I misread which guy you were talking about, if you were talking about the guy out front. I'm standing by the disingenuous piece of shite part, though.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86128 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:23 pm to
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If we're going to have the death penalty, it should be reserved for clear cut cases of heinous acts. I

Planning the murder, luring officers deeper into the home so that they can be massacred in cold blood, then bragging about afterward, in my opinion, is a clear cut case of a heinous act. (As was Charles Manson's role in those murders).
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I don't think from what I've read in this case there is enough justification to kill this convict, nor really enough evidence he was as involved in the killings as the state claims, but I wouldn't argue against a life sentence for his involvement.


I respect your opinion, and I don't believe it to be unreasonable.

But I do not believe that at the beginning of this thread, the actual facts were being discussed. A misleading premise was offered, and people were just firing off responses without knowing the actual facts as testified in open court.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:24 pm to
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Your own linked article says he was selling crack, you disingenuous piece of shite...


I was referring to the witness outside the house you dumb frick.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Tygerfan
Member since Jan 2004
33880 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:26 pm to
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But I do not believe that at the beginning of this thread, the actual facts were being discussed. A misleading premise was offered, and people were just firing off responses without knowing the actual facts


And he posted an article from CNN to top it off.
Posted by Ryan3232
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Member since Dec 2008
27584 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:28 pm to
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Yeah- don’t do drugs stuff like this won’t happen.
I used to smoke pot. So if my buddy would have killed 3 officers while we were both smoking, I should die? Huh??!
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86128 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:28 pm to
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The guy was likely a crack head that did not want to get tied up in a crack house that he thought was about to be raided.

You can imagine it to mean whatever you want. What's relevant is that the courts believed it was planned. And the actual witness testimony supports that it was planned.

But hey, you can believe that a unicorn with wings flew up to that crackhead and whispered Woods is innocent if you want. I'm just submitting actual testimony.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:33 pm to
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If you don't think that him planning the ambush



Nothing I've read proves to me he planned the ambush. Seems some are basing that off one witness's comment that he wanted no part of the situation.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19496 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:35 pm to
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Seems some are basing that off one witness's comment that he wanted no part of the situation.


"If you come in here, we'll frick you up" is a pretty good indicator of what they may have had planned for the police
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71203 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:36 pm to
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Sounds to me like a lot of boasting and bravado not an actual planned murder. When they came into the apartment Woods actually surrendered before Spencer came out and opened fire. All this over a misdemeanor warrant.


In every message board discussion, you can always spot the moment someone suddenly feels less convicted about his argument after seeing additional information, and yet decides to stick to his guns with some half-hearted rebuttal.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122173 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:37 pm to
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Yeah- don’t do drugs stuff like this won’t happen.


Yeah, well if one day you are with someone and you have no idea they have a plan to kill someone.. And as the two of you are going about your day, that person pulls out a gun and shoots some people. And you are put on the row.. We will know that you have no problem with it because.. You were around the situation when it happened so you deserve to be put to death as well.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:38 pm to
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"If you come in here, we'll frick you up" is a pretty good indicator of what they may have had planned for the police




Key words. It doesn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt in my mind, and that uncertainty is enough to spare his life, IMO.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19496 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:40 pm to
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Key words. It doesn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt in my mind, and that uncertainty is enough to spare his life, IMO.


Entirely reasonable stance. The jury heard a lot more evidence than we did, and they voted 10-2 to convict. I don't think we're getting anywhere close to the facts from the article in OP
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12077 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:43 pm to
So you think there is some ambiguity to the statement “If you come in here we’ll frick you up”. Reasonable doubt huh?
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
7045 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:48 pm to
It’s called being an accomplist to the crime which carries the same penalty as the person who commits the crime
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:48 pm to
I do. I think there is a good chance it is a couple of thugs talking shite to the police trying to showoff and act tough rather than it meaning f you come back we have a plan in place to ambush and murder you.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:49 pm to
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So you think there is some ambiguity to the statement “If you come in here we’ll frick you up”.



It doesn't prove to me he "planed" for the police officers to be murdered, no.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:50 pm to
I am sure they sat down and planned out an ambush and murder over a misdemeanor warrant though.
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