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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:26 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:26 am to JohnnyKilroy
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He forced that other guy to shoot? Damn that's crazy.
Sure you want to go there? That thinking exonerates folks like Manson, Jim Jones, Hitler, Stalin, Mao...
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:41 am to mouton
So what's the deal with this case. I heard some ramblings on the radio. And i did a lil research myself.
From my understanding the guy who was executed didn't actually kill the cops. He had some involvement as he there at tvhe scene and was allegedly close with the shooter so that makes him an accomplice to the crime, sure. But if that is the case that should not be a call to be executed. 25+ years in prison, sure, but I'm not quite sure I agree with the death penalty being used in this case.
Am I otherwise missing something in this case?
From my understanding the guy who was executed didn't actually kill the cops. He had some involvement as he there at tvhe scene and was allegedly close with the shooter so that makes him an accomplice to the crime, sure. But if that is the case that should not be a call to be executed. 25+ years in prison, sure, but I'm not quite sure I agree with the death penalty being used in this case.
Am I otherwise missing something in this case?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:43 am to QJenk
Read thew link at the bottom of the previous page, it'll clear it up for you. This guy absolutely deserved the needle.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:51 am to QJenk
quote:2 dudes had some type of run in with 2 of the cops earlier in the night and were at the crackhouse to hide out until the cops shift ended. Cops show up, Woods is detained when the other guy comes out shooting.
From my understanding the guy who was executed didn't actually kill the cops. He had some involvement as he there at tvhe scene and was allegedly close with the shooter so that makes him an accomplice to the crime, sure. But if that is the case that should not be a call to be executed. 25+ years in prison, sure, but I'm not quite sure I agree with the death penalty being used in this case.
If that's how it happens, this seems like obviously this dude has been done wrong.
But the prosecution argued that the 2 dudes somehow lured the 2 cops into that house with the intent and plan to kill them. If true, then obviously the sentence was appropriate.
The issue is where the truth lies between the 2 stories. And that, who knows which is actually true.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:56 am to QJenk
He was actively involved. He was an accessory/conspirator in felony capital murder of a police officer(s) in the performance of their duty. The news has been running with the family's story that he had nothing to do with the murder because he didn't shoot the gun, which is bunk. Woods was a bad guy who deserved to be in prison for the rest of his life. There's no disputing that; the evidence is pretty convincing.
But, there was a serious concern about lack of competent counsel during the direct appeal upon conviction. Regardless of where one stands on the death penalty or how he was charged, that should be troubling because as is often said, a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich.
Others noted that the jury recommendation of death was not unanimous (10-2), but the judge sentenced him to death regardless. That might be troubling for some philosophically, but as of yet there are no laws or federal court rulings against the policy. The AL DOC also apparently fast-tracked his execution because he failed to "select" his preferred manner of execution by a certain date (needle or gas). Again, the records show that he didn't have access to counsel during that period, so he was largely unaware of the proceedings.
ETA: Primary legal issue here is that Supreme Court has ruled that capital punishment doesn't violate the 8th Amendment so long as it is administered under certain rules/requirements, a central element of which is that the conviction is given an immediate direct appeal to the state's supreme court and that the convicted person have access to competent legal counsel during this process. It's pretty clear that the state of Alabama didn't follow the Court's guidelines through Wood's process, but the US Supreme Court was satisfied with that failure, evidently, since they didn't stay the execution. The case appears to highlight several problems with the justice system.
Other folks in this thread don't give a shite about judicial process. They just like to see people convicted of murder get executed, the rule of law be damned.
But, there was a serious concern about lack of competent counsel during the direct appeal upon conviction. Regardless of where one stands on the death penalty or how he was charged, that should be troubling because as is often said, a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich.
Others noted that the jury recommendation of death was not unanimous (10-2), but the judge sentenced him to death regardless. That might be troubling for some philosophically, but as of yet there are no laws or federal court rulings against the policy. The AL DOC also apparently fast-tracked his execution because he failed to "select" his preferred manner of execution by a certain date (needle or gas). Again, the records show that he didn't have access to counsel during that period, so he was largely unaware of the proceedings.
ETA: Primary legal issue here is that Supreme Court has ruled that capital punishment doesn't violate the 8th Amendment so long as it is administered under certain rules/requirements, a central element of which is that the conviction is given an immediate direct appeal to the state's supreme court and that the convicted person have access to competent legal counsel during this process. It's pretty clear that the state of Alabama didn't follow the Court's guidelines through Wood's process, but the US Supreme Court was satisfied with that failure, evidently, since they didn't stay the execution. The case appears to highlight several problems with the justice system.
Other folks in this thread don't give a shite about judicial process. They just like to see people convicted of murder get executed, the rule of law be damned.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:27 pm to HarryBalzack
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It's pretty clear that the state of Alabama didn't follow the Court's guidelines through Wood's process, but the US Supreme Court was satisfied with that failure, evidently, since they didn't stay the execution. The case appears to highlight several problems with the justice system.
Other folks in this thread don't give a shite about judicial process. They just like to see people convicted of murder get executed, the rule of law be damned.
See how they use language? Do you really think the SC would be satisfied with failure to follow the rules and guidelines, and also don’t give a shite about judicial process, like the bloodthirsty posters here?
Or do you think it is much more likely that both the Alabama Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court of the United States found that they did comply, and the judicial process was upheld?
Those who oppose the death penalty manufacture some issue to declare justice wasn’t served in nearly every case. It’s nothing more than the vehicle to proclaim the death penalty wrong. This tactic damages their credibility, whether they want to admit it or not.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:15 pm to chinhoyang
Well, I stand corrected. I read the 2 wrong articles. I outta knowed better than AL.com. My wife tore me up with facts this morning. Cocksucker got what he deserved last night!
My apologies everyone!
My apologies everyone!
Posted on 3/6/20 at 5:17 pm to chinhoyang
I stand corrected per my previous post!
Posted on 3/6/20 at 6:36 pm to The People
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If an encounter in Baton Rouge with an armed suspect can turn into an international debate on race relations, what makes any town in any state any different
Anybody pulls that bullshite then the genie is out of the bottle.Then its officially time to "Speak Truth To Power" as the democrat filth loves to say and talk race relations in 2020. But only truth and none of this but muh feelings BS. Check your SPLC and made up monkeyshit.c o m at the door. I wonder what Tessa Majors,Mathew Carter,Scott Jenks,Bradley Brown,Madison Harris,Kristopher Daccus,Gennady Levshetz,Trevor Wetselaar,Dan Walk,Dale Hudson, Joseph Bullock, Katie Thyne would contribute to the conversation as white murder victims of black interracial murder in 2020. There are more but that's the only ones I can remember off the top of my head.12 without looking it up is pretty good.
Maybe we could include the thoughts from the black murder victims of white interracial murder in 2020. Little help here. Somebody? Anybody? All of the brilliant minds of tigerdroppings surely somebody can name 1 or 2 right. I'm drawing a complete fricking blank.
With all of this rampant white supremacy everywhere there should be countless cases to pick from. Got to give it to black people in the last 50-60 years or so as they have dominated us in interracial murder and interracial violent crime numbers.They are running us out of the stadium. More than doubling our interracial murder numbers and putting up 10-11 times the interracial violent crime despite being nearly 1/5th the total numbers.
Clearly we could learn a thing or 2 from black America on how to implement all of that white supremacy the media tells us about. Clearly going by the crime numbers we are not doing our job collectively.
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