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re: Anyone familiar with case of Nathaniel woods? Set to be executed in murder where he didn’t
Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:59 pm to PurpleKnight88
Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:59 pm to PurpleKnight88
they shoudla ppeal to US court
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Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:01 pm to Boo Krewe
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they shoudla ppeal to US court
You should contact his defense attorneys, they probably haven't even thought about an appeal
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:03 pm to The Spleen
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Alabama has some weird accomplice law
Without reading the article, I have to assume he was convicted under the felony-murder law (if someone is killed while you're committing any felony then you can be charged with murder, even if your co-conspirator btw n/a here. Although, it sounds like maybe a way over-aggressive application and sentencing.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:04 pm to The Spleen
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I don't think anyone has claimed he was just an innocent bystander.
There are some that seem to be implying this.
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The issue is using the death penalty in a case where the convicted didn't pull the trigger, or even fire a weapon.
Charles Manson never killed anyone. He was convicted of multiple murders, and sentenced to death, without ever "pulling the trigger". The only reason he was spared is because CA commuted all death sentences at one time.
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Throw his arse in jail for the rest of his life maybe.
Why? If he didn't pull the trigger...
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:05 pm to Boo Krewe
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they shoudla ppeal to US court
That is a whole other issue with the case. He has had pretty bad legal representation along the way. I'm guessing he had mostly public defenders, with at least one walking away from the case in the middle of the appeals process. The state has argued he missed the deadline to appeal to the Supreme Court.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:06 pm to jchamil
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It's called felony murder in most jurisdictions, and Alabama isn't the only state that has a felony murder statute.
As usual, I didn't scroll through whole thread before posting.
Yes this.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:08 pm to McLemore
Sounds to me like a lot of boasting and bravado not an actual planned murder. When they came into the apartment Woods actually surrendered before Spencer came out and opened fire. All this over a misdemeanor warrant.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:11 pm to The Spleen
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The issue is using the death penalty in a case where the convicted didn't pull the trigger, or even fire a weapon.
The fact that he basically lead the officers into the firing line by retreating into the house, knowing Spencer was in there with a rifle and further pointing out another officers location to Spencer right after he had already shot one... is more than enough to be given the penalty.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:11 pm to Festus
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Why? If he didn't pull the trigger...
Masterfully done
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:12 pm to Festus
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Why? If he didn't pull the trigger...
You can't be serious? Just because someone is guilty of a crime doesn't mean it is worthy of a death sentence
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:12 pm to mouton
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Sounds to me like a lot of boasting and bravado not an actual planned murder.
Hmmmm...
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“Officer Collins testified that when the officers returned to the apartment to arrest Woods, a man who had been outside said that he wanted no part of what was to take place,” court documents say
That witness clearly indicates that it was planned. There's no justifying what he did. That's why his execution has been upheld on appeals. Ample evidence has been shown that Woods was very much a part of what went down, and wanted to be there for the carnage.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:13 pm to mouton
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When they came into the apartment Woods actually surrendered before Spencer came out and opened fire.
But he didn't. He first pointed out another officer for Spencer to shoot prior to running away.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:13 pm to mouton
I went to school with the daughter of the officer who was shot but not killed. Apparently, Nathaniel Woods was involved in bringing the police into the ambush.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:14 pm to Tygerfan
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further pointing out another officers location to Spencer right after he had already shot one.
Not disputing this but where did you read this?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:14 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Apparently, Nathaniel Woods was involved in bringing the police into the ambush.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:15 pm to mouton
AL.com article on Woods
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prosecutors said during the 2005 trial that while Woods did not fire the shots, he helped set up the ambush for the man – Kerry M. Spencer - who did kill the officers.
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In court records from the AG’s Office, prosecutors argued Woods was not a model inmate while awaiting trial. Six months after the murders, records state Woods told a deputy sheriff that the deputy was “hiding behind [his] badge just like the other three mother f******” and promised to look for him if Woods was acquitted. In 2005, deputies found drawings in Woods’ cell of men shooting three flaming skulls and a police car riddled with bullet holes. Deputies also found lyrics to a song Woods had apparently written: “Seven execution styles murders I have no remorse because I’m the f****** murderer.”
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:16 pm to mouton
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Not disputing this but where did you read this?
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As the officers were attempting to arrest Woods, Spencer appeared with the rifle and began shooting. Officers Owen and Chisholm were shot multiple times. Woods told Spencer about the officer out front, Bennett, and Spencer shot him multiple times.
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:16 pm to mouton
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Not disputing this but where did you read this?
In the article linked in your OP
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:18 pm to solus
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You can't be serious? Just because someone is guilty of a crime doesn't mean it is worthy of a death sentence
I'm assuming you've read nothing I've posted. You can decide for yourself if he should receive the death penalty or not. The court and appeals believe he does.
I just wanted to provide actual facts of the testimony to show there's MUCH more to what happened than what is being implied by the OP.
My point in what you quoted was that, if he's guilty enough for life in prison, then is it not reasonable to argue he's guilty enough for the death sentence? Considering, due directly to his actions, officers were massacred to their death?
Posted on 3/5/20 at 2:18 pm to Festus
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Why? If he didn't pull the trigger...
Because there's a difference in a life sentence and the death penalty. If we're going to have the death penalty, it should be reserved for clear cut cases of heinous acts. I don't think from what I've read in this case there is enough justification to kill this convict, nor really enough evidence he was as involved in the killings as the state claims, but I wouldn't argue against a life sentence for his involvement.
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