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re: Albuquerque to send unarmed social workers, not police officers, to some 911 calls
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:26 pm to MorbidTheClown
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:26 pm to MorbidTheClown
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so you're going send an unarmed social worker to deal with a meth head or deranged person?
not necessarily
it just gives a 3rd option for the 911 operator to send to a call
if the 911 operator deems the calls requires police, they will send police
if the 911 operator deems the situation does not require an armed cop, they will send the social worker
it sounds good, but yeah, eventually something will happen, but again, no system is perfect
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:26 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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but at first glance it seems like a decent idea.
Only if you don't understand second and third order consequences.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:26 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Can’t wait to see Live SW on A&E.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:27 pm to Salmon
The social workers and crisis intervention specialists usually call police when they fear a dangerous client.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:27 pm to member12
Every time I hear “social worker”, I think of that psycho murderer who stabbed his two little boys with a hatchet then blew up his house when he overpowered the social worker. The social worker brought them to his house and stood there like a moron as she watched this happen in their front yard.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:28 pm to Centinel
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Only if you don't understand second and third order consequences.
I don't understand the unwillingness to try new ideas
Nobody agrees that the current system is perfect, why such the resistance to new approaches?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:28 pm to member12
Sending social workers to handle certain(key word) situations makes more sense than sending armed cops.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:29 pm to member12
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Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller announced that the city would create a “first-of-its-kind” cabinet-level department that would respond to calls on inebriation, homelessness, addiction and mental health
Seems like a good answer to the "Cops are required to do too much" and "Police are not social workers" concerns.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:30 pm to Salmon
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if the 911 operator deems the situation does not require an armed cop, they will send the social worker
Because a 911 operator is qualified to make that call
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it sounds good, but yeah, eventually something will happen, but again, no system is perfect
So let’s just put an unarmed woman in there & see how long it takes?
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:30 pm to MightyYat
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calls
What $37K a year social worker is signing up for that gig?
It’ll be the young kids right out of school. They will be in for a rude awakening. The older and more experienced people will have worked their way into hospitals and other lower impact roles.
Are we going to give social workers city vehicles and put them on “the beat” so they can patrol a route?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:30 pm to Salmon
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I don't understand the unwillingness to try new ideas
Nobody agrees that the current system is perfect, why such the resistance to new approaches?
Because Democrats are doing it. Duh.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:31 pm to member12
Many of these people are going to obviously be in an altered mental state when the SW arrives. So what is the protocol when the person essentially ignores the social work and tell them to frick off? Does the social worker just leave and say "Oh well. I tried. I guess they are just going to keep shitting in your driveway and/or raising hell in the middle of the neighborhood."
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:31 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
since you're convinced this is a step in the right direction, I assume you'll also have the social workers wearing body cams?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:31 pm to Salmon
quote:They would probably be better off calling the cops, rather than carrying protection.
I imagine eventually an incident will occur and they will carry some type of protection though
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:32 pm to Salmon
The generally concept is a good idea. The actual way this is put into action is a different story.
I think of it the same way I think of intensive case management for the mentally ill. The intensive case management teams try to get folks to take their meds but some just won’t do it. As a result, we’re wasting money and resources.
I think of it the same way I think of intensive case management for the mentally ill. The intensive case management teams try to get folks to take their meds but some just won’t do it. As a result, we’re wasting money and resources.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:33 pm to Salmon
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I don't understand the unwillingness to try new ideas
Nobody agrees that the current system is perfect, why such the resistance to new approaches?
People don’t call 911 because they got their feelings hurt, they call 911 because they are scared for their life.
Social workers have an important role but answering emergency 911 calls is not their place. When the first social worker is killed or beaten up answering a domestic violence call this will be scrapped.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:33 pm to Salmon
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Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller announced that the city would create a “first-of-its-kind” cabinet-level department that would respond to calls on inebriation, homelessness, addiction and mental health
quote:Yeah, this shite is going to go splendidly. Unarmed, underpaid social worker with zero experience dealing with on-the-spot issues with drunks, displaced homeless, meth heads and the mentally deranged degenerates will be totally equipped to take charge.
doesn't seem terrible on the surface
I imagine eventually an incident will occur and they will carry some type of protection though
At what point will they call the authorities when a fricked up homeless meth addict physically takes over the average 35yr old/125 pound female social worker on the streets?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:33 pm to The Spleen
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Sending social workers to handle certain(key word) situations makes more sense than sending armed cops.
Definitely.
The problem though is what is the long term solution?
Police themselves complain in every larger city about the high percentage of their calls that deal with the exact same mentally ill people over and over again.
Since they're "disrupting the peace" more than any kind of criminal violence they just get dumped back out to have the cops come back aver few weeks to pick them up.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:35 pm to member12
911 Down Over ABQ
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:36 pm to wm72
In case you idiots aren’t paying attention, the current process of sending in a cop with a G.E.D. And a gun isn’t working so well in all cases.
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