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re: Albuquerque to send unarmed social workers, not police officers, to some 911 calls
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:37 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:37 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Seems like a good answer to the "Cops are required to do too much" and "Police are not social workers" concerns.
No, cops aren’t social workers but sending someone, typically a woman, to get someone off their meds to do something isn’t going to help.
Do these people think that just because the person isn’t a cop a person out of their right mind is going to be calm & listen?
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:38 pm to Centinel
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Only if you don't understand second and third order consequences.
Like sending armed law enforcement officers to confront suicidal mentally ill people?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:38 pm to NIH
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Going to be a high turnover rate when the average social worker graduate gets thrust into bad neighborhoods at 2am on the regular.
Give it a year before they have to announce a shortage of social workers and will have to replace them with cops
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:38 pm to RebelExpress38
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When the first social worker is killed or beaten up answering a domestic violence call this will be scrapped.
I seriously doubt any program implemented would have them responding to domestic violence calls, other than in a support role.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:40 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Like sending armed law enforcement officers to confront suicidal mentally ill people?
Is he armed?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:40 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Like sending armed law enforcement officers to confront suicidal mentally ill people?
Do you honestly think this person is going to listen to someone just because they aren’t in a police uniform & don’t have a gun on their hip?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:40 pm to Alt26
quote:Homeless won't have driveways & neighborhood's. These $37,000/yr social workers will be working the streets dealing with pure shite that has gotten so bad it requires a 911 operator to determine if the severity of the circumstances require an armed cop or a 125lb female social worker to diffuse the situation.
Many of these people are going to obviously be in an altered mental state when the SW arrives. So what is the protocol when the person essentially ignores the social work and tell them to frick off? Does the social worker just leave and say "Oh well. I tried. I guess they are just going to keep shitting in your driveway and/or raising hell in the middle of the neighborhood."
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:42 pm to member12
I'm all for this. Let these liberal women handle these situations and let's see what happens. Either way the outcome is good. Either it works and we can implement stuff like this around the country, or these poor women get beat and murdered and we stop these dumb experiments.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:42 pm to LCA131
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since you're convinced this is a step in the right direction, I assume you'll also have the social workers wearing body cams?
Well, they need something to identify the attacker when the social worker is assaulted or killed..
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:44 pm to MF Doom
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Is he armed?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's just a BB Gun like that homeless dude in Albuquerque.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:45 pm to Paluka
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he social workers and crisis intervention specialists usually call police when they fear a dangerous client.
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So waste double resources?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:46 pm to LSUJML
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Do you honestly think this person is going to listen to someone just because they aren’t in a police uniform & don’t have a gun on their hip?
Maybe. Maybe not. If everyone involved is unarmed, then the chances of anyone ending up dead at the end of the encounter is a lot lower.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:47 pm to H I McDunnough
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In case you idiots aren’t paying attention, the current process of sending in a cop with a G.E.D. And a gun isn’t working so well in all cases.
I bet that if you did the math and divided the number of "bad" interactions by the total number of interactions in this country in any given timeframe (month, quarter, year) it would be less than 1%.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:47 pm to IAmNERD
My wife (pics been posted before) is in this field. When she first heard about social workers being sent into situations like this, she burst out laughing.
The most overworked, underpaid people in the world are going to walk into ridiculously dangerous situations?
Going to be funny when the first time a social worker walks up to someone with anger issues that’s drunk af and can’t handle the situation. What’s next in the procedure there?
The most overworked, underpaid people in the world are going to walk into ridiculously dangerous situations?
Going to be funny when the first time a social worker walks up to someone with anger issues that’s drunk af and can’t handle the situation. What’s next in the procedure there?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:49 pm to RebelExpress38
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People don’t call 911 because they got their feelings hurt, they call 911 because they are scared for their life.
I would guess a lot of people just call 911 (instead of 311 or the regular police precinct number) for complaints about people generally disrupting the peace but not acting violently (and also call 911 for tons of other non-emergencies).
I have a shop in Brooklyn NY and the vast majority I see the NYPD called concerns situations that involve mentally ill people that aren't really acting violently.
The NYPD officers are always complaining about it too since the exact same people just end up right back out there having the cops called for them over and over.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:50 pm to RebelExpress38
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People don’t call 911 because they got their feelings hurt, they call 911 because they are scared for their life.
this isn't true at all
people call 911 when their cats go missing
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:50 pm to RT1941
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so bad it requires a 911 operator to determine if the severity of the circumstances require an armed cop or a 125lb female social worker to diffuse the situation.
They’re essentially spending money on middle men. In this case, mostly women.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:51 pm to Prominentwon
My niece is also a social worker and walks into potentially dangerous situations nearly every day. She works for a mental health center and probably has the training and experience to handle a lot of these calls.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:51 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
You’re being insanely obtuse
Posted on 6/16/20 at 2:51 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Is he armed?
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Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's just a BB Gun like that homeless dude in Albuquerque.
911 Dispatch - SW Karen, we are sending you to a call about a deranged, suicidal homeless man.
SW Karen - oh shite, is he armed?
911 Dispatch - Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it's just a BB Gun like that homeless dude in Albuquerque.
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