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re: Albuquerque to send unarmed social workers, not police officers, to some 911 calls
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:08 pm to Peter Venkman
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:08 pm to Peter Venkman
Its statistically about 99.998% of the time when looking at encounters and unarmed blacks getting shot.
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:08 pm to IAmNERD
Lol, they shouldn't take the job then.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:10 pm to LSUJML
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So the 911 operator is supposed to make a logical decision based on limited & often incomplete information?
I doubt it will just be a 911 operators choice
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So when 24 year old white girl gets killed it’s the 911 operators fault for sending her to the ghetto?
No...
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Or if it’s a bad part of town do they just send cops?
I don't know all the protocols that will be involved in this, but I doubt you and everyone else in this thread are the only people that have thought and considered these scenarios.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:10 pm to Salmon
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doesn't seem terrible on the surface
Come on man. If your wife was a social worked, would you want her responding to a 911 call of an obnoxiously drunk homeless man with no protection or police?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:13 pm to QJenk
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If you want to send unarmed social workers to deal with specific cases. Fine. But there still need to be some form of police backup presence
Here we go
Maybe they partner up
Maybe they both respond
The social worker can do their job & a cop can stay back but help as needed & it would be safer for a cop to transport (Shelter) if needed
Posted on 6/16/20 at 3:14 pm to QJenk
My wife used to work as a social worker, still does at the hospital from time to time. You what she did when she couldn't handle the patient (which was often)? Call the on duty police officer/security. This is a terrible idea and there isn't a snowball's chance in hell I'd let her do this.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:01 pm to PawnMaster
So a typical 911 operator will be the one determining which dept. gets the call, LEO or social worker. Granted, 911 operators in bigger cities probably have some training, but in police departments in general funding is always an issue, so how well are these operators actually trained? A white female in either a State or LEO marked vehicle parks & gets out in a project parking lot at 2:00 a.m.....this is logical?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:02 pm to member12
I feel bad for social workers
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:06 pm to The Spleen
quote:Is she working the streets? Is she required to work with the homeless in their habitat when they may be strung out on meth or an alcohol bing?
My niece is also a social worker and walks into potentially dangerous situations nearly every day. She works for a mental health center and probably has the training and experience to handle a lot of these calls.
Working with a mental health center does not provide experience with street level drunks or drug addicts.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:08 pm to member12
I give it one social worker getting the shite kicked out of em by jonesing drug addict before this is scrapped.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:10 pm to UnluckyTiger
It's not as if Albuquerque has an ethnically homogeneous population.
HTH are they going to match social workers to each often encountered ethnic group. Native Americans have a different set of laws and their own tribal authorities (insert Cartman's Respect my authoriteea voice), BLM types are there, Lulac types of different home countries, and the northern european origin are just a few of the different armed cultures a BS social worker might face.
HTH are they going to match social workers to each often encountered ethnic group. Native Americans have a different set of laws and their own tribal authorities (insert Cartman's Respect my authoriteea voice), BLM types are there, Lulac types of different home countries, and the northern european origin are just a few of the different armed cultures a BS social worker might face.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:11 pm to member12
Maybe a common sense approach would be to employ and use both LEOs and Social Workers in conjunction with each other. However, who has authority? Any way you look at it, this just has disaster waiting to happen written all over it.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:13 pm to real turf fan
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Native Americans have a different set of laws and their own tribal authorities
That only apply when they are on tribal land. Which is not in Albuquerque.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:16 pm to Kodar
quote:How the hell are they planning to train social workers in negotiation situations that will literally be on the cuff on the damn streets?
Yes, lets send an unarmed social worker to potentially deal with:
1) drunks (see inebriation). We talking the haha I'm just loud and think I'm funny drunk, or the I'm going to smash your fricking car window in with your cranium type of drunk?
2) homeless individuals, i.e. people who are likely in a very bad place due to their current state. This could end fine, but it could very, very easily escalate into something terrible.
3) Addicts, people who are very likely to be very desperate.
4) Mental health. This one is more of a coin flip as mental issues can be so damn unpredictable.
I get we want police brutality to not be a thing, but if I'm making a 911 call in a situation where I'm dealing with the above and I can't handle it as is, most of the time I would want a responder to be someone who is trained in self-defense and armed. Not some social worker who could very well just make the situation worse.
Social workers that work with the institutionalized mentally ill are one thing. Workers that go into the home to see the mentally ill where they are in their comfort areas and feel less threatened are a whole lot different than sending these underpaid, under-protected and under-trained individuals out there on the streets.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:17 pm to member12
Here's a real life example from just yesterday. On the police scanner a call came across for a Domestic Dispute with a 15 year old and family member(s).
By the time the officer that recieved the callout got to the location, it had become clear that the 15 year old was on drugs and having a possible mental episode. The kid was armed with a knife and cut someone in the home.
How the hell is a social worker going to effectively deal with a volatile case like that?
By the time the officer that recieved the callout got to the location, it had become clear that the 15 year old was on drugs and having a possible mental episode. The kid was armed with a knife and cut someone in the home.
How the hell is a social worker going to effectively deal with a volatile case like that?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:17 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Does anyone else remember Jo Ellen Smith in New Orleans?
She, a young nurse, entered Fischer Housing Project and her raped and murdered body was found two days later.
She, a young nurse, entered Fischer Housing Project and her raped and murdered body was found two days later.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:24 pm to LSUJML
quote:Albuquerque plans to send social workers - not police officers to some 911 calls. Why would a cop act as backup to a social worker?
Here we go
Maybe they partner up
Maybe they both respond
The social worker can do their job & a cop can stay back but help as needed & it would be safer for a cop to transport (Shelter) if needed
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:26 pm to member12
How long till the first social worker gets shot?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:26 pm to Salmon
quote:Large part of the problem is the seemingly blanket way they intend to send out these workers. I'm sure someone on the inside has brought all of these points up, but the report on this matter has not in any way, shape, or form indicated that suggested points have been considered.
I don't know all the protocols that will be involved in this, but I doubt you and everyone else in this thread are the only people that have thought and considered these scenarios.
Regardless, I can't think of a good way to implement this in all honesty. You would need at bare minimum some sort of security presence i.e. an officer on site to protect the worker from a very possible escalation of the situation. There are a number of scenarios that can very easily start off non-violent, but escalate into an out of control situation very rapidly. An easy example is a domestic disturbance that only consists of some yelling/screaming, but by the time the officer arrives it has turned into injuries.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 4:27 pm to member12
Well this good for the domestic abuse suspect. But bad for the victim. And probably worse for the social worker. Hazard pay?
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