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re: Trade Machine fun
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:50 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:50 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
This is exactly why depth is important.. If we had better depth we would be in a way better position right now than we are.. With more depth we can overcome Payton and Niko going down in the regular season, we could survive AD taking a night off on a back 2 back to keep him fresh..
If you decide to go top heavy with 3 all stars and the rest Fraziers and Millers, well you see where that gets you
If you decide to go top heavy with 3 all stars and the rest Fraziers and Millers, well you see where that gets you
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:07 pm to NOFOX
Yeah they are going to get smoked, but why is that? They dont have any stars..
Depth gets you in the playoffs, that's when you expect your stars to take over and get you through the playoffs..
Right now I'll use Washington and Houston as examples, yes they are getting through despite injuries because Harden and Beal are going bonkers, but they wont do shite in the playoffs because those 2 guys will be so worn out just trying to make the playoffs
Depth gets you in the playoffs, that's when you expect your stars to take over and get you through the playoffs..
Right now I'll use Washington and Houston as examples, yes they are getting through despite injuries because Harden and Beal are going bonkers, but they wont do shite in the playoffs because those 2 guys will be so worn out just trying to make the playoffs
Posted on 1/17/19 at 6:18 pm to NOFOX
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This makes them a better team, but doesn’t move the needle enough
How many times has Davis said this a good team and injuries have killed them? He’s begging for depth.
Last night a better bench allows a rest to the elite 5 and we win the game.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 6:30 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Nobody would make the argument that more depth wouldn't be good.
The argument is that it still won't be enough to get AD to sign the 3rd contract. And a 3rd star wouldn't either if your 5-12 guys were terrible.
The magic Dell needs to pull off is: Get a 3rd guy who is Jrue level or better AND somehow make this team deeper than it was this year.
Very unlikely he pulls it off. Which is why AD likely won't be here past Feb of 2020, if that long, but thats what it will take.
A deeper team that made the playoffs, even got to the second round, but had no chance to be a championship contender for the next few years would have made this year more fun, but AD would leave anyway.
The argument is that it still won't be enough to get AD to sign the 3rd contract. And a 3rd star wouldn't either if your 5-12 guys were terrible.
The magic Dell needs to pull off is: Get a 3rd guy who is Jrue level or better AND somehow make this team deeper than it was this year.
Very unlikely he pulls it off. Which is why AD likely won't be here past Feb of 2020, if that long, but thats what it will take.
A deeper team that made the playoffs, even got to the second round, but had no chance to be a championship contender for the next few years would have made this year more fun, but AD would leave anyway.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 6:56 pm to Crewz
Well, AD just wants to win.. If we give AD a deep team and tell him "OK you have alot of talent around you, more than Lebron or Jordan ever had in their career, this is your best chance at a championship, go recruit that 3rd star, or stay with what we have which is a guaranteed top 4 playoff spot, we will need you to step your game up in the playoffs though, but you should be rested and healthy because we have plenty of depth to handle the regular season"
It would also make us more attractive to the other "stars" in the league, especially as a small market.. Nobody will want to come to a small market and have to try to carry a team, but if you have AD, Jrue, Niko, Randle, and another 6-7 solid guys (Payton level), that makes you a VERY attractive landing spot for a star.
We fricked up day 1 by just trading for guys rather than building depth around AD, and then dropping that other superstar in
It would also make us more attractive to the other "stars" in the league, especially as a small market.. Nobody will want to come to a small market and have to try to carry a team, but if you have AD, Jrue, Niko, Randle, and another 6-7 solid guys (Payton level), that makes you a VERY attractive landing spot for a star.
We fricked up day 1 by just trading for guys rather than building depth around AD, and then dropping that other superstar in
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:33 pm to Soggymoss
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It would also make us more attractive to the other "stars" in the league, especially as a small market.. Nobody will want to come to a small market and have to try to carry a team, but if you have AD, Jrue, Niko, Randle, and another 6-7 solid guys (Payton level), that makes you a VERY attractive landing spot for a star.
All of that is nice in theory but it’s just not a reality. Go look at Lebron’s time in Cleveland and ask yourself who’s the biggest star player he was able to recruit, and I’m not talking about acquiring via a trade. Sadly that’s really the only realistic way we will get a star player.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:47 pm to WB504
Lebron couldnt recruit a star because he was in Cleveland, Lebron couldnt recruit another star because hes Lebron..
He had another star in Kyrie that left because he got tired of playing with him
He had another star in Kyrie that left because he got tired of playing with him
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:53 pm to Soggymoss
Yes because most have ego's.
They want their own legacy so unless your a little bitch like KD and Boogie "Stars" not just A grade players expect you to join them, not the other way around.
This is obviously a lot harder in a small market.
They want their own legacy so unless your a little bitch like KD and Boogie "Stars" not just A grade players expect you to join them, not the other way around.
This is obviously a lot harder in a small market.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 8:23 pm to Soggymoss
No.... Lebron couldn't recruit another star because he was in Cleveland.
Guys wanted to play with him and that is obvious by the fact that they put together the first 'unnatural' superteam - in Miami.
Young Lebron was a guy everybody wanted to play with. But nobody wants to go to Cleveland, and I hate to break it to you guys, but big NBA stars won't consider New Orleans either.
Guys wanted to play with him and that is obvious by the fact that they put together the first 'unnatural' superteam - in Miami.
Young Lebron was a guy everybody wanted to play with. But nobody wants to go to Cleveland, and I hate to break it to you guys, but big NBA stars won't consider New Orleans either.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 1/18/19 at 1:23 am to Crewz
Interesting. Why? Saints don't seem to have problems recruiting free agents from similar demographic pool. Is it geography or organization? You seem to imply geography, but maybe I'm reading too much into things. Do NBA players have a special grudge against New Orleans for some reason or is it small markets in general?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 6:40 am to New City Champ
This is just one factor but shoe contracts are a relatively hidden part of the NBA economy, and they definitely try to push players to larger markets. When DeRozan was going to be a free agent, part of the equation was if he left Toronto for Los Angeles he’d have gotten more money from his shoe deal.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:30 am to New City Champ
I don't think it's a Nola problem. It's a small market problem. When is the last time you've seen a top flight FA sign with a small market team that he wasn't already on? I struggle to think of one.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:34 am to LesGeaux45
Aldridge is really the only one I can think of, but the Spurs are a small market exception.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:42 am to New City Champ
Interesting article but it is a few years old: LINK
Title is: Free agency shows that stars don't always pick big market
Title is: Free agency shows that stars don't always pick big market
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:46 am to New City Champ
What big stars have the Saints been signing in FA?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:59 am to Mystictiger
Yeah I remember hearing that back around 2015 too, but their big example in the article is Greg Monroe signing with the Bucks over the Lakers. Even then Monroe was a B-list guy.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:57 am to New City Champ
Nba players do not compare to nfl players, especially superstars.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:07 am to TeddyPadillac
The bottom line is players want to be rich and famous. How a team contributes to that can be boiled down into roughly 3 things:
- Market Visibility
- Organizational Competence
- Contract/Role on team
Those are not necessarily in order and being good in one can make up for being bad in another, but as we've seen recently with the Knicks and Lakers, if you're too bad in 1 area then not even being great in 2 other areas will be enough. For instance, does anyone think Milwaukee would ever have a shot at a top FA? It would have to be a LeBron going home story or near contender that's one piece away to even have a shot at getting your calls returned by top tier FAs.
- Market Visibility
- Organizational Competence
- Contract/Role on team
Those are not necessarily in order and being good in one can make up for being bad in another, but as we've seen recently with the Knicks and Lakers, if you're too bad in 1 area then not even being great in 2 other areas will be enough. For instance, does anyone think Milwaukee would ever have a shot at a top FA? It would have to be a LeBron going home story or near contender that's one piece away to even have a shot at getting your calls returned by top tier FAs.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
Which is why I think the Pels gotta think long and hard about guys like Blake, Conley, and Love at the deadline. I don't like any of their contracts. I don't even love any of their fits besides maybe Blake. But you will never get a guy like that in free agency. You could get a Bazemore or Ariza or even Porter level player in FA to come to this market.
So use assets to get what you can't get any other way, if you use them at all
So use assets to get what you can't get any other way, if you use them at all
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:11 am to Soggymoss
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Yeah they are going to get smoked, but why is that? They dont have any stars..
Depth gets you in the playoffs, that's when you expect your stars to take over and get you through the playoffs..
Right now I'll use Washington and Houston as examples, yes they are getting through despite injuries because Harden and Beal are going bonkers, but they wont do shite in the playoffs because those 2 guys will be so worn out just trying to make the playoffs
I will say it again: Depth is NOT going to make AD stay. You need to build depth through the draft over time and make smart deals in free agency. You don't blow 1st round picks on expiring vets to get a deeper roster. We are past the point of we just needing to add depth.
Give AD and Jrue to Beal or Harden and I guarantee you they would do shite in the playoffs.
People on this board don't seem to understand the situation we are in now, AD has one foot out the door. Adding decent depth (which you will then have to overpay to stay) and getting into the back end of the playoffs this year does not change anything. AD refuses to sign the supermax this summer and we are down a 1st round pick that we could have used for the rebuild.
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