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Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:50 pm to NOFOX
quote:
I want a legit allstar talent and if not then hold onto the first
A first round pick doesn’t usually net s quality all star player.
Prince is a proven commodity. He might not be an allstar, but he’s well worth a 1st round pick. We could only hope any pick we make is as good as him.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:10 am to TeddyPadillac
Any chance we can trade
Moore
Hill
Johnson
Clark
1st rd pick
For
Prince
Lin
Bazemore
It works on the trade machine..
Moore
Hill
Johnson
Clark
1st rd pick
For
Prince
Lin
Bazemore
It works on the trade machine..
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:16 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
A first round pick doesn’t usually net s quality all star player.
Prince is a proven commodity. He might not be an allstar, but he’s well worth a 1st round pick. We could only hope any pick we make is as good as him.
I didn’t say a single first gets us a star. I said if we cannot get a star, I want to hold our first instead of using it on a guy like Prince. Prince is not worth a 1st to me. We are an AD or Jrue injury from having a top 10 pick. Adding Prince won’t make AD re-sign, so if I can’t get a star at the deadline, then I want to hold the pick to see if I can make a more significant move this summer before AD demands out. If we can’t make a more significant move, then AD is gone and I’d rather have a 2019 pick over one year of Prince for the rebuild.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 12:18 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:03 am to NOFOX
Davis has said multiple times he wants to win. They can't wait until next Summer to add another star.
They haven't been able to add another star the whole time he has been here, let alone now when there are rumours he may be gone.
I'd honestly pull the trigger on:
Lin, Dedmon and Prince for Hill, Johnson, Diallo and 2019 1st.
Gives the team another ball handler who is a good defender, can shoot the 3 and has high IQ.
Another rim protector big for when Davis is resting. Dedmon can score defend and even shoot the 3.
Both are expiring so if we do chase another star FA in the Summer they aren't on the books.
Then there is Prince who would be the best SF this team has had since Ariza.
Payton/Lin/Frazier
Holiday/Moore/Jackson/Clark
Prince/Miller/Williams
Mirotic/Randle
Davis/Dedmon/Okafor
They haven't been able to add another star the whole time he has been here, let alone now when there are rumours he may be gone.
I'd honestly pull the trigger on:
Lin, Dedmon and Prince for Hill, Johnson, Diallo and 2019 1st.
Gives the team another ball handler who is a good defender, can shoot the 3 and has high IQ.
Another rim protector big for when Davis is resting. Dedmon can score defend and even shoot the 3.
Both are expiring so if we do chase another star FA in the Summer they aren't on the books.
Then there is Prince who would be the best SF this team has had since Ariza.
Payton/Lin/Frazier
Holiday/Moore/Jackson/Clark
Prince/Miller/Williams
Mirotic/Randle
Davis/Dedmon/Okafor
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:35 am to Aussie_Pelican
That'd be great, but do you really think that's the best offer ATL could get for all of those players? They could probably get a lit more fire just Prince plus get more assets in a Lin and Dedmon deal
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:31 am to Aussie_Pelican
quote:
Davis has said multiple times he wants to win. They can't wait until next Summer to add another star. They haven't been able to add another star the whole time he has been here, let alone now when there are rumours he may be gone.
Well this is some revisionist history. Was Boogie not a star? Him potentially leaving makes it easier to add a star as other teams will put more value on our future picks. AD wants to challenge for a championship.
quote:
Lin, Dedmon and Prince for Hill, Johnson, Diallo and 2019 1st.
That doesn’t do anything for AD even if they sneak into the playoffs is what I have been saying. This makes them a better team, but doesn’t move the needle enough. My thought process is to assume that AD is gone and only something extraordinary will make him stay.
AD wants to win consistently and be a perennial contender. An expiring Lin, Dedmon, and Prince doesn’t make this team a yearly contender. At this point, I believe the only thing that will make AD stay is another star and the being a top 3 seed by next trade deadline.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 7:37 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 8:39 am to Aussie_Pelican
You have to add something.
Will it be two seconds or pick swap of first.
Hawks can get more for those 3 in separate trades...
Will it be two seconds or pick swap of first.
Hawks can get more for those 3 in separate trades...
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:33 am to NOFOX
If AD were smart, he would prefer to be on a deep team, rather than a team top loaded with 3-4 stars, and then a bunch of role players...
A deal bringing in Lin/Baze, Dedmon, Prince makes us a better team IMO than a deal bringing in Beal, because we are still top heavy
A deal bringing in Lin/Baze, Dedmon, Prince makes us a better team IMO than a deal bringing in Beal, because we are still top heavy
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:43 am to Soggymoss
quote:
deal bringing in Lin/Baze, Dedmon, Prince makes us a better team IMO than a deal bringing in Beal, because we are still top heavy
You serious Clark?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:46 am to Soggymoss
quote:Huh? So, when Lin and Dedmon are gone after a half a season and we are overpaying Bazemore on the last year of his deal, you think that is better for the future of the team than a player like Beal on a longer term, relatively reasonable contract?
If AD were smart, he would prefer to be on a deep team, rather than a team top loaded with 3-4 stars, and then a bunch of role players...
A deal bringing in Lin/Baze, Dedmon, Prince makes us a better team IMO than a deal bringing in Beal, because we are still top heavy
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:33 am to NOSHAU
People like depth because we are in the regular season and that helps a ton. If we were in the playoffs right now, people would see how pointless depth is and how the top heavy teams dominate
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:48 am to Crewz
Boston isn't top heavy and they should've made the finals. Or maybe they are top heavy with depth.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:56 am to LouisianaJoseph
They were in the East. And they got beat by a top heavy team with one guy and a bunch of scrubs besides Love
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:54 am to Soggymoss
quote:
If AD were smart, he would prefer to be on a deep team, rather than a team top loaded with 3-4 stars, and then a bunch of role players...
A deal bringing in Lin/Baze, Dedmon, Prince makes us a better team IMO than a deal bringing in Beal, because we are still top heavy
That is nonsense. The Clippers have great depth and will get smoked in the playoffs if they make it. Talent trumps depth. Beal would make this team significantly more dangerous in the playoffs and if we could have made a Beal/Sato trade, I think more likley than not AD signs his supermax.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:29 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Talent trumps depth
So...Toronto loses to Philly? They have 1 top 10 player and their second best guy is top 30-40...then a few top 75 guys?or is Siakam top 40 too
If the second unit can be net neutral, then an elite starting group with 2 top 20 players in there is our best bet.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:20 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
In the playoffs you play 7-8 guys.
Depth means very little.
Depth means very little.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:30 pm to pawel
They are getting a first.
You think they need more?
You think they need more?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:32 pm to CocoLoco
Depth gets you into the playoffs .
Running your guys into ground leads to injury.
The Pels unit of Payton-Holiday-Moore-Niko-AD is elite. Ideally Randle is your fulcrum with second unit. Or Randle is with the 1’s and Niko-Jah is the offense off the bench.
But you still need a back up functional point guard & a 3/D wing and a back up rim protector.
I like Jah, his development & his contract.
But if he can be thrown to ATL for Baze/Ded/Lin combo in a Hill/Wes package. I’ll take it.
Because of our lack of perimeter shooting by the backcourt, we need more depth. Because of you are going to stagger your starters, scoring/spacing needs to come from somewhere.
This team needs depth to keep AD fresh. Last night he was gassed because he didn’t get much 3Q rest.
You need that rest to be fresh in the 4th, that gets you wins.
Running your guys into ground leads to injury.
The Pels unit of Payton-Holiday-Moore-Niko-AD is elite. Ideally Randle is your fulcrum with second unit. Or Randle is with the 1’s and Niko-Jah is the offense off the bench.
But you still need a back up functional point guard & a 3/D wing and a back up rim protector.
I like Jah, his development & his contract.
But if he can be thrown to ATL for Baze/Ded/Lin combo in a Hill/Wes package. I’ll take it.
Because of our lack of perimeter shooting by the backcourt, we need more depth. Because of you are going to stagger your starters, scoring/spacing needs to come from somewhere.
This team needs depth to keep AD fresh. Last night he was gassed because he didn’t get much 3Q rest.
You need that rest to be fresh in the 4th, that gets you wins.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:33 pm to CocoLoco
Need to make the playoffs first.
That's been thier problem.
That's been thier problem.
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