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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:51 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:51 pm to supe12sta12z
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He would be a nice acquisition at the position going into next year. He's a guy I would absolutely give up picks to get since he's on a great contract and he been held back by Atlanta's logjam at the position. But I kind of doubt Atlanta will be serious about letting him go. They probably looking to dump Capela and go with Okongwu next year.
Apparently everyone but Trae an Jalen Johnson is available for the right price. I would trade Larry plus a 1st for him easily. Probably would give up another 1st too
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:10 pm to shel311
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I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO
Flipping Dyson for Caruso isn’t a move I would do, but I agree with this.
Daniels likely doesn’t see any minutes this year in the playoffs. We have two guys on the roster that have won a playoff series. Adding Caruso would make us more competitive in the playoffs, and at some point I’d like the pelicans to actually win a playoff series again.
A veteran who can shoot, handle the ball and defend is going to look awfully valuable come playoff time when we look down the bench and see Daniels, Hawkins and Naji sitting there.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:23 pm to ned nederlander
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I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO
Agreed at the right time and right cost, this move makes sense. I would not do it now. And I think Dyson could very well develop offensively similar to the strides Herb has made and make this look like a lateral move or a bad move. So I hang on to Dyson for now and reevaluate a trade like this next year at which time Dyson May be comparable to Caruso and on a better contract or you can flip him for a piece if the team continues to improve and can make a run at WCF.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:25 pm to Balsamic_duck
$20m for Capela, I believe.
Salary matching means one of JV or Nance plus a few small deals such as EJ and Naji. It also puts us in the tax but, if it means it makes us a contender, Gayle may pay it.
Salary matching means one of JV or Nance plus a few small deals such as EJ and Naji. It also puts us in the tax but, if it means it makes us a contender, Gayle may pay it.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:54 pm to Soggymoss
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New Orleans Pelicans have interest in Atlanta Hawks forward/center Onyeka Okongwu
Now that's someone who's worth giving up Dyson for. A player who has the potential to become a long-term key piece.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
I’ll agree.
He would be the center of the future on a set contract of about $14m a year, meaning we could move on from JV, Larry, or possibly both by the start of next season.
Helps us now by giving us another big, really helps us in the long term by giving us a good big on a controlled contract.
He would be the center of the future on a set contract of about $14m a year, meaning we could move on from JV, Larry, or possibly both by the start of next season.
Helps us now by giving us another big, really helps us in the long term by giving us a good big on a controlled contract.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:45 pm to New City Champ
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Just a reminder that Dyson was a consensus top-10 selection in the 2022 draft. Let's give him some time. Via Ringer's 2022 Draft Guide...
When he was drafted I said after 3 to 4 years, we shoujd gave a pretty good idea of DD will he. He’s already elite or will be shortly at defense, just needs to get his offensive game in order. No way am I trading that potential for freaking Caruso even if the Bulls added a first.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:14 am to GOP_Tiger
It would be JV and a first for OO.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:25 am to Aussie_Pelican
I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. Even the Laker's first.
On Daniels, I'm more than happy to be patient on him, but I'll admit he has further to go on offense than I anticipated. He looks stiff and unsure of himself a lot of times, kind of like a guy who didn't grow up playing basketball so it's not entirely natural or instinctive to him.
On Daniels, I'm more than happy to be patient on him, but I'll admit he has further to go on offense than I anticipated. He looks stiff and unsure of himself a lot of times, kind of like a guy who didn't grow up playing basketball so it's not entirely natural or instinctive to him.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 7:32 am to New City Champ
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Magic Trade For Jonas Valanciunas, Dyson Daniels from Pelicans in Mock Deal
frick these websites and their heart attack inducing headlines.
LINK
Posted on 1/26/24 at 7:43 am to SLafourche07
LOL, let’s just take two downgrades to help the Magic. That looks like one of those dumb ideas a homer puts out to help his team.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:00 am to SLafourche07
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Magic Trade For Jonas Valanciunas, Dyson Daniels from Pelicans in Mock Deal
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New Orleans would take this deal just to clear some cap space to make another trade. Valanciunas is owed $15.4 million this season, but both he and Daniels could be off the books this summer. Daniels has a team option for the next two years, and Valanciunas is a free agent this summer. Okeke is also a free agent, but Carter Jr. is under contract until 2025-26.
Ah yes, the mysterious “another trade” that we would finally be able to do with 2.9 million in cap space. He is basically saying the Pels do it for “reasons”
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:33 am to Townedrunkard
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When he was drafted I said after 3 to 4 years, we shoujd gave a pretty good idea of DD will he. He’s already elite or will be shortly at defense, just needs to get his offensive game in order. No way am I trading that potential for freaking Caruso even if the Bulls added a first.
Rest assured...some team that thinks they are a serious playoff contender (or very close)...will make a move for Caruso in the next few days. The guy can play...on BOTH ends of the court.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:42 am to Dinky Mulberry
The Dyson situation is simple. Players that don't show at least flashes of All Star level play early and often rarely make it through their 2nd contract with a team. I'm one of Dyson's bigger supporters on this board, but I know it's likely he's going to be traded at some point in the next 4 years.
The return on that trade is the question. The problem with a Caruso trade, even if it was a 1 for 1 swap with Dyson, is Caruso would probably be the 8th man here. If you trade someone like Dyson now it should be part of a package to upgrade the starters. And by upgrade I don't mean a JV side grade or even down grade now that we're at the bottom of the barrel and talking about WCJ and Gafford.
The return on that trade is the question. The problem with a Caruso trade, even if it was a 1 for 1 swap with Dyson, is Caruso would probably be the 8th man here. If you trade someone like Dyson now it should be part of a package to upgrade the starters. And by upgrade I don't mean a JV side grade or even down grade now that we're at the bottom of the barrel and talking about WCJ and Gafford.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:47 am to TigerinATL
The only person im trading JV and Dyson for is Jarett Allen. Otherwise, id rather keep them.
Okongwu does jack shite for me.
Okongwu does jack shite for me.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:57 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Losing JV to free agency goes a long way in losing trade flexibility
The only person im trading JV and Dyson for is Jarett Allen. Otherwise, id rather keep them.
Okongwu does jack shite for me.
We'd almost certainly be weaker than Okongwu at center next season, unless we give up real assets to get that center.
It's a tricky thing to navigate.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:02 am to shel311
We'd be too small if we traded JV for Okongwu, but thats why id want to trade Larry for him. Okongwu would be our long term Larry replacement and has a fantastic contract. Then i would try to resign JV for a couple years
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:16 am to Balsamic_duck
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We'd be too small if we traded JV for Okongwu, but thats why id want to trade Larry for him. Okongwu would be our long term Larry replacement and has a fantastic contract. Then i would try to resign JV for a couple years
Yea I'd be in this camp as well. I'd rather dish out Larry than JV. Let Okungwu get more minutes as the season goes along, let JV be the iron man in the regular season and hope by the playoffs that Okongwu could play extended minutes at center. I love JV, but I don't think I'd resign him for a couple years though. He's going to lose a step every year from here on out (although maybe not bc he didn't this year) and I'd hope to get him on a one year deal. But I'd guess someone would be willing to give him multiple years.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:21 am to Balsamic_duck
Okongwu is 6'8" and can't shoot.
He's a good player, but i don't see where he makes us better if he takes one of JV or Larry's place.
He's a good player, but i don't see where he makes us better if he takes one of JV or Larry's place.
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:22 am to iwyLSUiwy
That's why trading JV for anyone outside of Allen is hard to do right noe. And it looks like Allen is going to cost too much to realistically get a deal done. You still need a guy like JV for the stretch run after the deadline. But the window to trade him is really small. After that the only option is to let him walk or hope that you can sign him for a reasonable deal.
Unless Matkovic is some unicorn.
Unless Matkovic is some unicorn.
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