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Dinky Mulberry
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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/29/26 at 8:44 pm to MannyG
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I'll never understand the need to put someone down to prop another up. I think both are good players. Maybe Dyson's lack of shooting really matters, though I don't think teams are really paying attention to Herb or Dyson so what's it actually matter, (if you want to have the outlier conversation Dyson was also a career 32% shooter coming into this season, so maybe the 14% is his outlier), but I do think he's slightly better than Herb. Considerably better in some areas even. I think there's a reason Atlanta asked for Dyson and not Herb.
They asked for Herb, we said no or asked for Onyeka Okongwu to be included in the trade.
This topic makes little sense considering there is not much separating Herb & Dyson. If you want a former Pel playing for the Hawks the answer is NAW (cheaper, good defender, better shooter). He might mess around & take most improved player in the league.
Here's the bottom line. Two fairly even players & I like both of them...but...VERY different "types" which leads to a contending team (like the Lakers) having quite a bit of interest in Herb...and basically NO interest in Dyson. Lakers woulda traded for Herb at the deadline but just didn't have the draft picks available at the time. Things COULD be different come draft night.
You would be hard pressed to find a contending team...that could find a way to use Dyson. They already have their offensive stars...and are almost always...just looking for that low-maintenance defensive stud...who they can plug-in & hopefully shoot 35-38% on C&S 3s. They do NOT need Dyson's (admittedly better than Herb's) inside offensive game.
Even worse for Dyson...his 3-pt attempt %...has been 41/43/25/14 over his first 4 years in the NBA...headed the wrong way for sure...& that's not even considering his 15% 3-pt% for this season. I have no doubt Herb will have a 3-pt% attempt rate of OVER 50% for the next few years. He's 54% this season...and probably headed up from there...especially if playing for a serious contender.
On a side note...maybe draft night will be a bit more exciting for the Pels...than most here, think it will be.
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re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 10:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
Actually...35.80%...which is, in itself, a major clue. We all spend quite a bit of time on basketball-reference.com when it comes to basketball discussions.
How do you most easily, get from 22-72 (30.55%) to 35.80%? THAT...is the magic number we need to find for Herb. Surprise, it's there...and makes perfect sense why it should be added to arrive at Herb's more realistic "shooting from three" final number.
How do you most easily, get from 22-72 (30.55%) to 35.80%? THAT...is the magic number we need to find for Herb. Surprise, it's there...and makes perfect sense why it should be added to arrive at Herb's more realistic "shooting from three" final number.
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 10:10 am to iwyLSUiwy
Seems strange for sure...but that's just the way we "test" an individual hypothesis with the rest of the group.
In this case...you just announce.."I think Herb Jones shot 35.8% from 3 last season instead of 30.6%" ,,,with no explanation why. Then you leave it to others in the group to analyze the numbers and hopefully...come to the same conclusion. It gives your hypothesis MUCH more validity...when the others start from scratch...and end up with the same conclusion.
Weird as hell, for sure...but it's just how we roll...and gets REALLY interesting we we get into serious subjects like maybe the war in Iran.
The fun part...is getting others to "re-look" at something...then change their opinion on the matter.
In this case...you just announce.."I think Herb Jones shot 35.8% from 3 last season instead of 30.6%" ,,,with no explanation why. Then you leave it to others in the group to analyze the numbers and hopefully...come to the same conclusion. It gives your hypothesis MUCH more validity...when the others start from scratch...and end up with the same conclusion.
Weird as hell, for sure...but it's just how we roll...and gets REALLY interesting we we get into serious subjects like maybe the war in Iran.
The fun part...is getting others to "re-look" at something...then change their opinion on the matter.
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/26/26 at 9:39 am to boxcar willie
It's no big deal...but a really sharp guy tried to explain Herb's 3-pt anomaly last season to me & wanted me to figure it out on my own...instead of just giving me the answer. Sort of teach me to fish instead of giving me a fish.
If the object of the discussion is to get the best idea of Herb's future 3-pt shooting... and I admit his "30.6% shooting from three last season" gave me pause...he suggested I use the figure of "35.8% shooting from three last season" on Herb. He wouldn't tell me why...but turned me loose on all of Herb's shooting stats from last season...and I admit...it took me a while but I finally got there. Hint: Look for really odd shooting numbers in a certain area & then...ask yourself...why they are there.
My guy told me ANY half-decent analyst would pick this up fairly quickly...especially if he was zeroed in on trying to analyze Herb's future 3-pt shooting %...and that % is a HUGE factor in determining Herb's future "worth" to a contending team. Same thing for Dyson by the way...2 similar players whose future value for a contending team...is mainly based on what you think they will "shoot from three" for the rest of their careers. You also gotta throw in DD's truly horrible FT% but that a subject for another day.
Sorry for the length of the post...but rest assured, it coulda gone MUCH longer. This kinda stuff is what our "crew" is constantly debating. If you name a player...we've got a serious opinion.
If the object of the discussion is to get the best idea of Herb's future 3-pt shooting... and I admit his "30.6% shooting from three last season" gave me pause...he suggested I use the figure of "35.8% shooting from three last season" on Herb. He wouldn't tell me why...but turned me loose on all of Herb's shooting stats from last season...and I admit...it took me a while but I finally got there. Hint: Look for really odd shooting numbers in a certain area & then...ask yourself...why they are there.
My guy told me ANY half-decent analyst would pick this up fairly quickly...especially if he was zeroed in on trying to analyze Herb's future 3-pt shooting %...and that % is a HUGE factor in determining Herb's future "worth" to a contending team. Same thing for Dyson by the way...2 similar players whose future value for a contending team...is mainly based on what you think they will "shoot from three" for the rest of their careers. You also gotta throw in DD's truly horrible FT% but that a subject for another day.
Sorry for the length of the post...but rest assured, it coulda gone MUCH longer. This kinda stuff is what our "crew" is constantly debating. If you name a player...we've got a serious opinion.
re: CJ having a good night vs Pistons
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/25/26 at 8:51 pm to Demps
Got hot down the stretch...but I didn't really like the shot he took at the end of regulation.
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/25/26 at 8:08 pm to CP3forMVP
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Herb shot 30.6% from three last season and he's at 30.3% this season. If anything I would say the 23-24 season when he shot 42% is the outlier. He's a career 32% three point shooter other than that.
Look a bit closer at all of Herb's shooting stats from last season. Look for an anomaly & analyze what it means. Then, pat yourself on the back. (Or, ignore this post...if you prefer)
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 10:26 pm to htran90
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Ultimately - who costs less, that's who I want.
The Herb/DD comparison is a very unique situation.
For fairly obvious reasons, Herb, almost always, has MUCH more value to a team that is a seriously contending playoff team...while DD has MUCH more value to a team (like the Hawks or even possibly the Pelicans) who are not what most would consider to be serious contenders.
Bottom line...Herb is "wired" to be a perfect role player for a team which already has a solid amount of talent (usually offensive)...while DD doesn't "fit" quite as well as Herb...on that type team. But, DD still has certain advantages over Herb...for some other teams.
So, hopefully...Herb might prove to be a very solid chip to have available for trade...on draft night. Could be very beneficial for the Pelicans (and Herb)
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 10:07 pm to CP3forMVP
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Anyone who says no only says no because Herb is our guy. The only thing Herb has over Dyson is outside shooting but Herb is just a 30% shooter from three the last two seasons so it’s not like he’s a knockdown shooter
You would be wise to look a bit closer at Herb's "apparent" 3-pt% last season.
This season has been a struggle for sure...but very likely...it will prove to be a "one-off".
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The only thing Herb has over Dyson is outside shooting
You forget the biggest issue: FT shooting
Dyson isn't playable late in playoff games with his Shaq-esque FT%
I'm a DD fan...but a source I pay very close attention to, told me that FT% is a stat that just about every analyst uses as a predictor of possible future outside shooting ability. He says it's very hard to find a player who improves on his outside shooting by a decent margin...IF...he is a lousy FT shooter for a substantial amount of time early in his career. He said I should be more concerned with DD's FT%...than his current struggles at the 3-pt line.
re: Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 6:57 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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This team is in desperate need of shooting so why are we concerned with a guard shooting 14% from 3 and 60% ft
I'm a Herb fan...but honesty compels me to say NOBODY thinks DD will continue to shoot 14% from 3...he shot 31, 31 and 34% his first three years. The question is...can DD end up averaging around 32-34% for his career...which I think he can do.
Bored, so...would you trade Herb even-up for Dyson ? Sorry...if
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/23/26 at 5:59 pm
---this has already been asked. ..but just wanted to find out how folks compared the two. (Given current and future pay...and all other considerations...I'd prefer Herb)
re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/22/26 at 2:04 pm to Townedrunkard
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After a clunker by the team last game, beat the warriors to win 12 of last 13.
Dyson with a season high
28 pts on 70.6%, 40% on 3
7 Rebs
6 assists
4 steals
+35 (highest on team)
Not bad for a guy the board said would never be a rotational guy on a playoff team or out the league completely…
Great to see DD hit a coupla 3s...even GREATER...to see him take 5 of them during the game. Maybe this is the turning point for his outside shooting. Key is to just keep shooting them...whether you shoot a solid % or not. Hard to be in the lineup down the stretch in "serious" games...if you won't take the shot. I'm still optimistic...he'll come around.
re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/17/26 at 11:26 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Don't forget the most important stat (and the.12% 3pt% )... Four years, 100 million dollars. He was not worth that for the Pels.
DD has 2 HUGE problems.
1. He has totally lost confidence in his outside shot which is understandable considering his 12% 3-pt numbers for the season.
2. And EVEN worse...he is basically refusing to shoot 3-pt shots. He actually tries to NOT be caught in a position where he is wide open at the 3-pt line. THIS IS NOT GOOD...
One thing about Herb...he actually goes out of his way to throw up 3-pt shots...which should eventually lead to his return to the norm...which for him, is somewhere around 35/36%.
re: Pels vs Lakers
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/4/26 at 12:25 am to iykyk985
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I respectfully disagree. We stopped moving the ball and Zion and Trey decided to play 'hero-ball'. I bet that Zion, on average, leads the league in having his shots blocked. Trey is effective when it's in the flow of the game, but when he tries to create his own shot, it becomes 'hit and miss'...and mostly miss.
JMO...I think the Pels, especially their top 3 offensive players, are basically just "hero ball" players & that works out OK for the first 3 1/2 quarters when hardly amybody is playing defense on either side...but then... if the other team is not tanking...and start playing good tough defense...the weakness in the Pels style of play becomes obvious.
re: Pels vs Lakers
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/4/26 at 12:05 am to Jizzamo311
Gets kinda hard for the Pels to score...when the other team actually starts playing defense down the stretch.
re: Pels vs Lakers
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/4/26 at 12:04 am to Jizzamo311
Gets kinda hard for the Pels to score...when the other team actually tries to play defense.
re: DJM has made more 3s this month than Dyson Daniels
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 3/1/26 at 1:04 pm to shel311
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It's year 4 and no one knows if Dyson can actually be a legit player in a playoff rotation or if he'd get played off the court like so many other non shooters have over and over in the playoffs.
That guy is going to get a big contract? It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
Just horrible timing by the Hawks. At the time...most thought Daniels would be a bargain long term at 4 yr/$100M. Then, for whatever reason, his outside shooting (and even more importantly, his confidence) took a tremendous dive.
NOBODY that's considered a PG in today's NBA...can continue to shoot that poorly from 3. He's bound to get better...but I'm pretty sure if given the opportunity, the Hawks would like to redo...that contract.
re: Pels vs Jazz
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 2/28/26 at 10:00 pm to supe12sta12z
WTH...it's a "junk" game...I say we let Herb go for the triple double.
re: DJM has made more 3s this month than Dyson Daniels
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 2/28/26 at 9:54 am to whatiknowsofar
I like both Dyson and Herb...fairly even on the defensive end...DD with the edge on rebounding but Herb could probably add a few more rebounds per game IF he wished...but he totally concentrates on boxing out...and is content to let others get "cheap" rebounds...and many teammates are always looking to pad their rebounding stats.
I have NO idea what has gone wrong with DD's outside shooting...but the longer it goes on...the more likely it is...to become a very serious career problem. The Hawks are going nowhere, so I would suggest they basically "order" DD to average 6 or so 3s per game and forget about the results. Forget about just shooing only 3' shots at the basket, which is what he has been doing lately.Plus...I'd tell him to shoot most of his 3s in road games. If he shoots 12% (or whatever he's shooting) at home games...eventually the home fans will start letting him know...and the LAST thing the Hawks want...is something that could further hurt DD's confidence.
To be honest, I don't think ANY NBA player that's basically a PG...can continue to shoot as poorly as DD has from the 3-pt line...in today's NBA. I'm optimistic on DD's future...but make no mistake...this is a very serious problem...and his recent new 4-yr contract at $100M is not helping matters.
I have NO idea what has gone wrong with DD's outside shooting...but the longer it goes on...the more likely it is...to become a very serious career problem. The Hawks are going nowhere, so I would suggest they basically "order" DD to average 6 or so 3s per game and forget about the results. Forget about just shooing only 3' shots at the basket, which is what he has been doing lately.Plus...I'd tell him to shoot most of his 3s in road games. If he shoots 12% (or whatever he's shooting) at home games...eventually the home fans will start letting him know...and the LAST thing the Hawks want...is something that could further hurt DD's confidence.
To be honest, I don't think ANY NBA player that's basically a PG...can continue to shoot as poorly as DD has from the 3-pt line...in today's NBA. I'm optimistic on DD's future...but make no mistake...this is a very serious problem...and his recent new 4-yr contract at $100M is not helping matters.
re: Pels at Jazz
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 2/26/26 at 9:57 pm to From Rice to Ingram
This is some truly horrible professional basketball...
re: Pels vs Bucks
Posted by Dinky Mulberry on 2/20/26 at 9:30 pm to purplepylon
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Not trading Herb at the deadline was just astronomically stupid
I'm gonna guess the Pels couldn't get as much as they wanted at the deadline...and expect a much better offer...come draft night.
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