Dinky Mulberry

[quote]He’s incredible. The only thing that can stop that kid is injury. Guys his height have notoriously bad health luck especially with the knees but he’s also not carrying the weight a guy his height would normally be.[/quote

Biggest worry for a 7' or taller player in the NBA is that they tend to have severe problems with their feet. Usually a result of relatively large weight of a 7' player compared to a shorter player...AND the fact their feet are NOT, relatively speaking, larger than the average NBA player.

Bad combination which leads to major stress on their feet...over time...with the constant pounding of landing all that weight...on those relatively tiny...feet. You are definitely right on Wemby's low weight being helpful in maybe keeping him from injury problems...but it's his feet, not his knees..which the Spurs and all other teams worry about with a player in excess of 7'.

I thought Spurs chose to let Fox sit this one out...expecting to "let" OKC win this one...guess I was wrong.

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Hawks were actually trying during regular season while so many teams were tanking...be very interesting to see how teams look next season...when NOBODY wants to tank to the point they could possibly finish in the bottom 3.


We were actually trying during regular season . . . and still tanked.

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We have quite a few losers on our team...and very few winners. I just don't see an answer to our problems...other than a total rebuild

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If I wanted to win now I would take Herb.
If I blew it up and started over I would take DD

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Absolutely right...& why Herb's trade value is much higher to a contending team than DD's is. Two great defenders with totally different offensive games.

I luv DD...and blame the Hawks for totally wasting an entire season for DD. IF...he is ever to come around & be playable come playoff time... he must learn to shoot from outside & even more importantly, be willing to take the shot. No reason, given the Hawks current situation with a ceiling of maybe making the playoffs but then ousted in the 1st round, that they shouldn't FORCE DD to shoot the 3...at least 35-40% of his total shots taken.

DD shot the three 15.1% of his shots. Herb was 54.2%...I don't really care how poorly DD shot the three...he just MUST be willing to take the shot...when it's there.

The LAST thing DD wants to do...is shoot the three. The FIRST thing Herb wants to do...is shoot the three. This must change...for DD. It's pretty simple.

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He is a black hole on offense.. the moment he touches the ball he's looking to send it elsewhere

One or two times the clock forced him to shoot and he put up those goofy hip shot floaters that clanged of the rim and created a break the other way

Defense was solid but so was pretty everyone else's in a playoff game

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Hard not to feel sorry for DD. The guy plays HARD all season long...but then, come playoffs, the other team really concentrates on his offensive weaknesses...plus all the other players raise their overall defensive intensity which kinda negates the one major advantage that DD had over other players during the regular season.

Playoffs are just a different game. If they find a weak spot...they will just HAMMER IT... all night long. I was afraid they were gonna have to bench DD down the stretch...and they did. Really hate it for him.

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Hawks probably wish they hadn't moved so quickly on DD with that 4 yr #100M deal.

Is $25M a year really an overpay in 2026 salaries for a guy in his early 20s who you know is not going to lose his ability as a defender, rebounder between age 23-27?

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JMO...and I luv DD...but there is NO way they are happy with 4 yr/$100M deal they gave DD...after the season he has had. His 3-pt game may come around but unless it does...he will have VERY little value as a PG, which is what his offensive numbers say he is...at least not... for ANY seriously contending team. I'm pullin' for him...

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Yall might fight me for this but I think Bey has taken Herb’s starting spot in Dumar’s eyes. I’m not saying that I agree with it but it sounds like it’s going to be Murray, Trey, Bey, Zion, and another C (I’m not sure who) starting next year.

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Herb's trade value will NEVER be as high as it will be on this upcoming draft night. I'd expect to get 2 FRPs from a serious contender...probably both in the 18-25 range...or...a FRP and a solid YOUNG player. Is this enough for the Pels to move Herb? You tell me.

Herb is just not a good fit as far as "added value"...for this current rendition of the Pelicans. If we place a value of "X" on Herb while playing for the Pelicans, I can assure you a serious contender (and I hate to say it...but... some team like the Lakers) would value him at "3X" given their current situation of probably having plenty of offense but desperately needing that 3&D glue guy.

Herb's future salary of $13.9M next year, followed by $20.8, $22.5 and $24.1 makes this off-season the perfect time to move Herb, assuming you want to move him...at any time during the next few years.

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Now we're gonna do something stupid like trade Herb for a mid first. Watch.

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I'm guessing we'd have to get 2 FRPs for Herb...of course, I COULD...be wrong.

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Dyson has really turned it on the back half of the season. Trading for cj really helped.

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DD is shooting better from outside in past few games. FTs still a problem.

Biggest problem is that DD just will NOT shoot enough from outside (3s)...he MUST just bite the bullet and start shooting 3s...no matter what his 3-pt% is...he can NOT be taken seriously by a contending team in the NBA until he adjusts his game to today's NBA. This is the major reason there are several serious contenders that are very interested in trading for Herb Jones...but those same teams have a huge problem in finding a way to use DD...especially at $25M/yr for the next 4 years. Pretty simple...just up to DD to show he can make the leap. I'm still optimistic on DD.

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They have no choice, they have to bite the bullet and unload # 1, and either # 25 or # 2 (not withstanding tossing out # 3. # 24 and # 55) to have any chance of being competitive within the next three years. Good Luck on that!!!

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# 2 will give the Pels the best "bang for the buck". He's not that valuable to the Pels but might possibly be worth 2 FRPs from a "contender in need"...like the Lakers, for instance. JMO...I COULD...be wrong

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I'll never understand the need to put someone down to prop another up. I think both are good players. Maybe Dyson's lack of shooting really matters, though I don't think teams are really paying attention to Herb or Dyson so what's it actually matter, (if you want to have the outlier conversation Dyson was also a career 32% shooter coming into this season, so maybe the 14% is his outlier), but I do think he's slightly better than Herb. Considerably better in some areas even. I think there's a reason Atlanta asked for Dyson and not Herb.


They asked for Herb, we said no or asked for Onyeka Okongwu to be included in the trade.
This topic makes little sense considering there is not much separating Herb & Dyson. If you want a former Pel playing for the Hawks the answer is NAW (cheaper, good defender, better shooter). He might mess around & take most improved player in the league.

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Here's the bottom line. Two fairly even players & I like both of them...but...VERY different "types" which leads to a contending team (like the Lakers) having quite a bit of interest in Herb...and basically NO interest in Dyson. Lakers woulda traded for Herb at the deadline but just didn't have the draft picks available at the time. Things COULD be different come draft night.

You would be hard pressed to find a contending team...that could find a way to use Dyson. They already have their offensive stars...and are almost always...just looking for that low-maintenance defensive stud...who they can plug-in & hopefully shoot 35-38% on C&S 3s. They do NOT need Dyson's (admittedly better than Herb's) inside offensive game.

Even worse for Dyson...his 3-pt attempt %...has been 41/43/25/14 over his first 4 years in the NBA...headed the wrong way for sure...& that's not even considering his 15% 3-pt% for this season. I have no doubt Herb will have a 3-pt% attempt rate of OVER 50% for the next few years. He's 54% this season...and probably headed up from there...especially if playing for a serious contender.

On a side note...maybe draft night will be a bit more exciting for the Pels...than most here, think it will be.