Dinky Mulberry

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Kon Kneuppel (who I like a lot) has a sophomore slump

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Expect the Hornets to take a huge step up this season...and agree that Herb will be gone by the trade deadline.

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which means a bunch of easy wins will no longer be available for a team like the Pelicans.

So, whatever prediction you have for Pelicans over/under next season...if you haven't considered that variable...I probably would...if I were you

So whatever prediction you have for every single team in the NBA needs to be adjusted and seeding doesn't change at all.

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Apparently, I did a poor job of explaining my "point". I'll try this way...last season, the Pels went 11-7 vs the 5 worst teams in the NBA who were basically trying to lose as often as they could. Their combined W/L record was 100-310. As noted, the Pels were 11-7 vs these teams...and 15-49 vs all the other teams in the NBA...who were NOT trying to lose like the bottom 5 teams were.

I thought the subject of this thread was to discuss the over/under on the amount of "wins" the Pelicans would have this year...NOT "seeding". With basically no teams wanting to end up in the bottom 3...that 11-7 record vs the "total tankers" will vanish. So, getting 26 wins next season will be harder to get...than they were this past season...given the disappearance of the "total tankers"...and when analyzed with the 3-2-1 "variable" included.

Herb...???

Hoping my man Herb is traded on draft night to one of several "serious" playoff teams. I won't give my preferences...but...I definitely have a couple in mind.

Bottom line...great for Herb...great for the team Herb goes to...and (should be) great for the Pelicans.

Ohh...and great for Dinky...although I like to think he's being objective in his opinion on this subject.

Here's the bottom line...I luv BOTH players. DD has the higher "ceiling" but unless he improves his outside shot, he will never come close to that ceiling...and Herb will have more value than DD...to any seriously contending team. It's really VERY simple.

IMO...this is the reason that some very good team...will trade for Herb during this off-season...and why I doubt there will be any serious interest by those type teams...in trading for DD.

Of course, things could change over the next year or two...and DD could develope a decent outside shot...at which point those teams would be very interested in DD. But at this point...all things considered...I gotta go with Herb...if I had to pull the trigger to go after either one.

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Harper is so good. Fox might be trade bait this summer.

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Spurs just signed him for next 4 yrs/$229M...doubt they planned on moving him...any time soon. Can create his own shot off the dribble...very valuable trait.

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Would rather take advantage of their desperation to build around Jokic. Make them overpay for Herb. Get picks

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I think Nuggets will find a way to sign Peyton Watson...he is gonna be a VERY good "3 & D" player. Not sure Nuggets need Herb...especially if they keep Braun. Several other teams could use Herb...just don't think the Nuggets are one of them.

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DD needs to work on shots in and around the key. No reason he should not back down Brunson and score.

Atl is not as good as I thought they were, it appears to be the Knicks were not playing well.

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Hawks were nowhere near as good as many thought. Hawks were actually trying during regular season while so many teams were tanking...be very interesting to see how teams look next season...when NOBODY wants to tank to the point they could possibly finish in the bottom 3.

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Dyson is on a 4 year $100M contract. Why are yall acting like they are paying him some mega exorbitant contract. I think the Hawks would give Dyson that same deal again tomorrow lol.

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Probably as big a DD fan as there is on here...but I doubt the Hawks ever dreamed that he would shoot 18.8% from 3 for the year...and basically get to the point that he wouldn't even shoot them.. And...that they would decide that they didn't want him on the court in the 4th quarter during the playoffs.

But I could be wrong...and maybe the Hawks would luv to spend $100M over the next 4 years on DD...if they had it to do over again.

I STILL haven't given up on DD...but I gotta admit I wouldn't want to jump out there and spend $100M over the next 4 years...to sign this kind of player. But...you never know...maybe there are several teams that would have no problem doing that...after watching him play this season.

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he will have VERY little value as a PG, which is what his offensive numbers say he is


Damn, so there’s very little value in being the nba steals leader and probably the top rebounding guard in the nba? On top of that, he was voted the best defensive wing in the league last year.

Remember this was also his first year basically taking over the major play making role on the team like you said, his turnover percentage dropped significantly as the year went on as he grew into that role.

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Apparently, I have not made myself clear. DD is a fantastic defensive player ...as is Herb. I luv both players. But, I doubt any top 6-8 teams in the NBA (what I call serious playoff contenders) would want either one...in a "major play making role" on the offensive end of the court. Herb...because he would suck at it...and DD...because he CAN'T and even more importantly WON'T... shoot the 3-pt shot. These teams already have offensive players for the "play making role" who are far better than Herb or DD at doing that job.

If these top 6-8 teams are looking for anything...it's probably a glue guy who is a 3&D player who doesn't require or ask...for the ball. They already have more than enough stud players to fill the play making role.The Lakers are an exception...as they want a 3&D guy AND a solid defensive center who is a rim protector.

The question is...can either Herb or DD become a consistent 35-36% C&S 3-pt shooter? I think Herb can & will under the right circumstances and I doubt DD...ever will. So, despite DD's advantage over Herb in the play making role...I don't think this "advantage" would be of any use to a contending team...as they are not going to use DD in that capacity.

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You made an ecf with that and lost to the eventual nba champions. That is further than you will ever make it with dyson as your pg

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I've got Herb over DD...but you can't write DD off just yet. Hawks probably wish they hadn't moved so quickly on DD with that 4 yr #100M deal. Just bad timing for sure...plus I assume they have pretty much given up on their #1 pick Risacher. DD just MUST start shooting the open 3s...or risk becoming another poor contract. We'll see.