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Not really.... Dyson isn't going to suddenly be a good shooter. There's enough of a sample size to say he's probably going to be always be mediocre shooting who can get streaky. His free throw percentage is a good indicator. Now you can hope he becomes an outlier and buck the trend but I wouldn't gamble on that.


Without getting too deeply into the weeds...there's a fairly large "school of thought" that thinks Aussie players are, by and large, quite a bit below average on outside shooting due to the nature of their basketball training as they develope in their youth. Kinda the exact opposite of the European players.

Who knows...but it seems there's a whole bunch of really lousy Aussie shooters out there...in the NBA. VERY good players...but VERY bad...outside shooters.

FWIW: DD, for the season, is now down to 13.7% on 3s at 7-52 through 30 games. Being totally ignored at the 3-pt line...with "5s" guarding him more & more often...by just standing in the paint & daring him to shoot.
I luv both players...they are fairly close on defense...DD is better rebounder & better at finishing around basket...Herb is better 3-pt shooter & free throw shooter. Neither should shoot from beyond 8' unless it is a 3-pt shot.

If you watch DD...you realize his outside shooting has become seriously HORRIBLE...confidence is totally shot. He's shooting 15.3% from 3 on 7-44...it's really hard to shoot that poorly on uncontested 3s...they have basically stopped guarding him at the 3-pt line & many teams have started guarding him with their "5", who just lingers in the paint & clogs things up inside. His shot is flat out "broken"...and I'm not sure if it's physical or mental...this situation will only get worse if he doesn't fix it...somehow.

ANY serious contender would prefer to add Herb to their roster rather than DD. Not really close...at this time. But...things can always change...we'll see.

Almost like somebody has told Herb to shoot a bunch of 3s...for some reason
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why do you randomly capitalize words in your posts? is it Tourette's?


I think I do it merely to emphasize a particular word or group of words. I find it a way to possibly make my meaning a bit more clear...when NOT speaking "in person".

As for Tourette's...not applicable in my case...although I am definitely "on the spectrum" as far as autism is concerned. Got a brother that is waaaaay more autistic...but he is still very functional. I personally think that MANY people are "on the spectrum"...to some degree or another.

If it's not obvious, by now...I tend to over-think...just about every subject I
discuss. In a GOOD way...imo. My wife says she doesn't understand how I can go through life that way...I say...I don't understand how she DOESN'T.
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Zion not Trey.


I doubt any seriously-contending team would be interested in Zion...especially if they were asked to give up first round picks...which is exactly what the Pels should be looking for in any trade.

Pels would obviously like to move Zion...but I'd guess it would be in a separate deal...from a Herb/Trey deal.
---it seems to me that the Warriors...rather than the Lakers...would be a much better target for Pelicans to strike a deal with...given Warriors have several first round picks they can send to the Pelicans.

---IF...Warriors don't somehow make a move and get the "Greek Freak"...I could easily see them going after BOTH Herb and Trey...in what SHOULD be a very good deal for the Pelicans...long term.
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I upvoted bc I hate Zion, but I hope you aren't right. I do think Herb is overrated defensively, but maybe he's frustrated about losing and it's making act out in ways that are unusual for him. Maybe he feels like he's got to bark at the refs for the team to get some respect. Think about our team. We don't have 1 guy that the refs respect/fear. Maybe he's adopting that role. We did win tonight, so maybe it worked.


Can't see us getting a whole lot outta Herb for the next few weeks. Just doesn't "fit" with our current style of play. I can't imagine us keeping Herb when he becomes eligible to be traded...assuming we can get a decent return for him. Not sure the Lakers have enough future "picks" to offer other than a 2031 first rounder...although Herb would fit quite well with them.

Warriors actually have more to offer for Herb than the Lakers...but who knows...maybe NOBODY really wants the Herbster and I have him overrated.

I'd guess a Herb trade probably comes down to either Golden State or the Lakers. Warriors seem to have more to offer...but Lakers would probably benefit MORE...from landing Herb...so they might get very creative to make it happen.
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He's hurt right now. They said he would be back in a week two weeks ago. Any idea when he's coming back?

Regardless, like you said, he can't be traded until after 1/15. There is a lot that will change before that time. No telling what the market will be then.


I'm not too worried about his present "injury"...as far as his trade value is concerned. But assuming we DO end up trading him...I'd guess we want to do as much as possible to make sure he doesn't get any added injuries between now and 1/15. So...I'm not expecting to get a whole lot from Herb..in the next month or so...jmo...I COULD be wrong.
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Herb or Trey? You keep Trey but he had to accept he is now #3 (i think he would thrive as the #3

I feel like Herb at 27 doesn't fit the time line for his skill set. Peeve has shown promise as a defender.

But I would not move Herb just to move him


I luv Herb but...he has little value to the Pelicans, given their current situation...BUT...he is VERY valuable to a contending team such as the Warriors or Lakers...who need a Herb-type player to possibly push them over the top...to becoming a VERY serious contender...immediately.

Bottom line...HERB HAS GOT TO GO...while he can draw a very solid return. Just pray he stays healthy until January 14...
I think we might well end up getting "more"... for trading Herb Jones...than what we can get for Zion...assuming we "move" Herb once 1/14/26 gets here...AND... assuming Herb doesn't get injured between now and then.
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Murphy is our best asset right now. I think he would be a great fit on the Hawks. They have a spot at SF, that Risacher is not ready to fill fully yet. Murphy would be an incredible upgrade and could vault them to a top 4 spot in the East, as semi-contendors. They have two expiring in Porzingis and Young, so they need to make a big move ASAP.

I would propose us getting our 1st round pick back, Risacher, Kennard, and a heavily protected future 1st.


I think the Hawks think they will get someone better than Murphy with the Pels' pick. And I agree...so I can't see them giving anything near your offer for Murphy...but...you never know.
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Somehow...I think the Pels will eventually end up with a decent 1st round pick...jmo

Trade Trey


Trading Herb...MIGHT...be enough to get a decent 1st round pick included in his trade.

If Trey is traded...in a separate trade...who knows WHAT...we might end up with...as far as picks in the 1st round.

I'm not sure Zion is EVEN tradable...or tradeable...whichever one is correct.
Somehow...I think the Pels will eventually end up with a decent 1st round pick...jmo
Let's see...Pelicans don't want overpaid Zion...Hawks don't want overpaid Trae...Grizzlies don't want overpaid Morant...and Hornets don't want overpaid Ball...so...sounds like a perfect situation for all 4 teams to get rid of their own trash and pickup someone else's trash.
I would guess the Warriors AND the Lakers....would BOTH find Herb to be more valuable than Trey...given their current roster situation. I'm NOT saying another team wouldn't see more value in obtaining Trey...than in getting Herb...but it's just a rather unique situation...for Warriors and Lakers.

January 15 is a looong way off...when considering "moving" Herb...things could totally change...by then.
I'm not saying Kon will be better than Cooper Flagg...but I'm NOT saying he won't be either !!!!
Kon is MUCH better than people think...they wouldn't trade him straight up for Zion...imo
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How about both Herb and DD are bad and luckily Herb can be traded Jan 16th


I actually think both are vey "liquid"...as far as trade value is concerned. Herb has the advantage due to current salary situation...but that's assuming DD is about to become a bit overpaid considering his current shooting status ...but if DD can somehow improve that shooting ability...coupled with his age advantage...well...who knows...two months is a looong way off...let's hope everybody just stays healthy
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Lmfao. You just dont get it. Dyson is an awful shooter, herb is hurt, yet is still a comparable player to dyson on defense and is still shooting 3s and fts better.


I really like DD...but...I have been very disappointed in his shooting. Keep thinking he is going to make a huge improvement. As odd as it sounds...we place quite a bit of importance on analyzing free throw improvement as much as outside shooting early in a player's career...in trying to predict a player's future shooting ability.

Without getting too much into the weeds on this...I learned this concept from someone I greatly respect in the analytics world...and it has served us well.
The fact that I doubt you will ever see Queen do something like that again...under those circumstances...should answer your question as to whether or not Queen was waaaay out of line.

They were gonna "take" a turnover and had already shook hands...can't believe we're actually discussing whether this was a good "look" or not.

But...no big deal in the grand scheme of things...& Queen will learn from his mistake.