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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter

Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:29 pm to
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How many more play off games do we win with Caruso instead of Dyson? 1? MAYBE 2?

FWIW, that would absolutely be a reason to make the trade
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:31 pm to
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Never said he wasn't.

You quoted a statement saying he's much better than Dyson on offense, and you said "Are you serious" so I'm NOT supposed to read that as you disagreeing that he's much better offensively than Dyson?
quote:

He said much much better
He is, probably even more so if we're being honest. Dyson is a massive liability offensively.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:35 pm to
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20 year old Dyson Daniels is more valuable than 30 year old Alex Caruso.


Hes 29 but I get your point in regards to him being older.

This is very debatable- maybe to pelican fans hes more valuable- majority of the league would take Caruso. Maybe a team not concerned with winning would want to develop Dyson but Caruso right now, especially with playoff teams is currently the more valuable player.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:40 pm to
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How many more play off games do we win with Caruso instead of Dyson? 1? MAYBE 2?


Wait what? No no no no no.

The offense isn't some black hole when Dyson is on the court. This offense has gotten really good at getting shooters open looks, and Dyson is more than competent enough to put the ball on the ground to force the defense to respect the drive.

Is he an absolute project on offense? Yes. Is he one of the best on ball defenders in the league. Also already yes.

Caruso may be marginally better on defense and better on offense, but not nearly to the extent that it would be worth trading Dyson plus assets for him.


Ftr as is roster is good to go. Nance being healthy and Willie actually playing him to start the 2nd half shows me we're ready to see if we can put this together by April.

Switching 1-4/5 is more important than rim protection, it shows value guarding the 3pt line. That's why I'm not worried about rim protection now that Larry is back. We may actually frick around and let it fly from 3 with an efficient point Zion. Which is the championship winning formula folks.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:47 pm to
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You quoted a statement saying he's much better than Dyson on offense, and you said "Are you serious" so I'm NOT supposed to read that as you disagreeing that he's much better offensively than Dyson?


The are you serious was just in regards to the "its laughable to think a Dyson for Caruso is not a great trade for us" type point being made. I realize Caruso is better on offense. And I know that Dyson is a liability. Hell I'm not even the biggest Dyson fan. But Caruso is being made out to be like he's Damian Lillard offensively in this thread. He's older, injured, and for his career has been inconsistent offensively. I mean just last year he averaged 5.6 points per game in 23 minutes per shooting 36% from deep on 2.3 attempts. WOW! Game changer.

Dyson may never develop into a career year 10 ppg offensive stud like Caruso is this year. But his ceiling is higher and he is certainly worth holding onto to see if he gets better and ends up being worth a second contract.

Like I say, I'm not even a big Dyson fan and I would certainly be open to trading him for the right guy. But I would absolutely riot if we traded him and the main thing we got back was Caruso. I would have to legit stop posting on the Pels Talk for a while after that.

Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:51 pm to
I have learned there are two things that divide this board.

The potential of Dyson Daniels and Ingram’s worth as a star in this league. Not saying anyone is completely right or wrong here but people have some pretty strong stance on each.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:55 pm to
Caruso was 23 when he came into the league and shot 30% from 3.

Dyson doesnt turn 23 for another THREE years.

I would be patient with Dyson
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:56 pm to
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I would be patient with Dyson

True...unless we reach a point where we're a legit contender. Then he would be a nice piece to dangle for an upgrade.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:02 pm to
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Hes 29 but I get your point in regards to him being older.
Splitting hairs. He is 30 next month.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:03 pm to
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Caruso was 23 when he came into the league and shot 30% from 3. Dyson doesnt turn 23 for another THREE years.


Jaxson Hayes just turned 23- sometimes players don’t improve.

Obviously Dyson is a miles better player on defense than Jaxson ever was but the reason I brought Jaxson up is just because a player is young doesn’t automatically mean they will improve.

I think there needs to be a progression seen. I’m sure people will say Dyson improved on offense this year. But realistically he really hasn’t. Hes been pretty awful offensively. Again lets see if pels have patience or flip him.

Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:08 pm to
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Then he would be a nice piece to dangle for an upgrade.



One of your earlier posts mentioned that teams exploit weaknesses in the playoffs. LAC, Phoenix, Sacramento, OKC, and Dallas all have a major weakness in front court depth that we should be focused on being able to exploit. It may be difficult to upgrade JV in the next 2 weeks, but there are plenty of available pieces that would add to our front court advantage and provide additional protection in case of injury or foul trouble. I think this would be much more likely to make a difference in a series outcome than the upgrade from Dyson to Caruso. If both can be done, great. But I would definitely prioritize front court depth with a focus on someone who can defend the PnR.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:10 pm to
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One of your earlier posts mentioned that teams exploit weaknesses in the playoffs. LAC, Phoenix, Sacramento, OKC, and Dallas all have a major weakness in front court depth that we should be focused on being able to exploit. It may be difficult to upgrade JV in the next 2 weeks, but there are plenty of available pieces that would add to our front court advantage and provide additional protection in case of injury or foul trouble. I think this would be much more likely to make a difference in a series outcome than the upgrade from Dyson to Caruso. If both can be done, great. But I would definitely prioritize front court depth with a focus on someone who can defend the PnR.

That's fair, and I tend to agree.

I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Splitting hairs. He is 30 next month.


Hence I put “I get your point.”
You do realize you’re “splitting hairs” about “splitting hairs.” Kind of funny actually.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8782 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:16 pm to
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I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO


My issue is that if Dyson is traded it should be part of a package that gets us a real upgrade to our core

Not for a 1-2 year upgrade at a bench spot
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7918 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

The potential of Dyson Daniels and Ingram’s worth as a star in this league. Not saying anyone is completely right or wrong here but people have some pretty strong stance on each.


As for Dyson, I'm cautiously optimistic he can become a decent offensive player but I do have some doubts.

I have zero doubts BI is what he is. A good, not great player who can never be a No. 1
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
647 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:37 pm to
Just a reminder that Dyson was a consensus top-10 selection in the 2022 draft. Let's give him some time. Via Ringer's 2022 Draft Guide...
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Much like fellow Australian Josh Giddey, Daniels’s passing is his real appeal. He’s such an advanced pick-and-roll artist that he’s already able to draw in defenders with the threat of his floater and pull-up, only to throw a jump pass to his rolling big man. He just executes at a high level. When a shooter comes off a screen, he puts the ball right in their pocket. If a play is called for a lob, he makes it easy for the guy leaping to the basket. There’s no pass that he can’t make.

Coordinated ball handler who plays at his own pace. He has clean footwork on spins and he can glide into runners. Though he isn’t especially explosive, he knows how to use his skills to his advantage with angles and touch.

Excellent defender with the versatility to defend guards and wings. His intelligence translates on this end with the way he positions himself and sticks to his man. But he’s not just a basketball nerd who studies hard—he plays his arse off and sets the tone for his teammates. Fans will love this guy immediately.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112854 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:22 pm to
For all of you trade machine sickos, Spotrac now has their own trade machine:

LINK
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17654 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:41 pm to
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New Orleans Pelicans have interest in Atlanta Hawks forward/center Onyeka Okongwu a source with knowledge tells Scoop B Radio.
This season the 6’10 big man is averaging 9.2 points, 6.8 rebounds & a block per contest in the ATL.

Per ScoopB
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4453 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:45 pm to
Yes please. I’ve been wanting okongwu for years
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13282 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:47 pm to
He would be a nice acquisition at the position going into next year. He's a guy I would absolutely give up picks to get since he's on a great contract and he been held back by Atlanta's logjam at the position.

But I kind of doubt Atlanta will be serious about letting him go. They probably looking to dump Capela and go with Okongwu next year.
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