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re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:29 pm to Balsamic_duck
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:29 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:FWIW, that would absolutely be a reason to make the trade
How many more play off games do we win with Caruso instead of Dyson? 1? MAYBE 2?
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:You quoted a statement saying he's much better than Dyson on offense, and you said "Are you serious" so I'm NOT supposed to read that as you disagreeing that he's much better offensively than Dyson?
Never said he wasn't.
quote:He is, probably even more so if we're being honest. Dyson is a massive liability offensively.
He said much much better
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
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20 year old Dyson Daniels is more valuable than 30 year old Alex Caruso.
Hes 29 but I get your point in regards to him being older.
This is very debatable- maybe to pelican fans hes more valuable- majority of the league would take Caruso. Maybe a team not concerned with winning would want to develop Dyson but Caruso right now, especially with playoff teams is currently the more valuable player.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:40 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
How many more play off games do we win with Caruso instead of Dyson? 1? MAYBE 2?
Wait what? No no no no no.
The offense isn't some black hole when Dyson is on the court. This offense has gotten really good at getting shooters open looks, and Dyson is more than competent enough to put the ball on the ground to force the defense to respect the drive.
Is he an absolute project on offense? Yes. Is he one of the best on ball defenders in the league. Also already yes.
Caruso may be marginally better on defense and better on offense, but not nearly to the extent that it would be worth trading Dyson plus assets for him.
Ftr as is roster is good to go. Nance being healthy and Willie actually playing him to start the 2nd half shows me we're ready to see if we can put this together by April.
Switching 1-4/5 is more important than rim protection, it shows value guarding the 3pt line. That's why I'm not worried about rim protection now that Larry is back. We may actually frick around and let it fly from 3 with an efficient point Zion. Which is the championship winning formula folks.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:47 pm to shel311
quote:
You quoted a statement saying he's much better than Dyson on offense, and you said "Are you serious" so I'm NOT supposed to read that as you disagreeing that he's much better offensively than Dyson?
The are you serious was just in regards to the "its laughable to think a Dyson for Caruso is not a great trade for us" type point being made. I realize Caruso is better on offense. And I know that Dyson is a liability. Hell I'm not even the biggest Dyson fan. But Caruso is being made out to be like he's Damian Lillard offensively in this thread. He's older, injured, and for his career has been inconsistent offensively. I mean just last year he averaged 5.6 points per game in 23 minutes per shooting 36% from deep on 2.3 attempts. WOW! Game changer.
Dyson may never develop into a career year 10 ppg offensive stud like Caruso is this year. But his ceiling is higher and he is certainly worth holding onto to see if he gets better and ends up being worth a second contract.
Like I say, I'm not even a big Dyson fan and I would certainly be open to trading him for the right guy. But I would absolutely riot if we traded him and the main thing we got back was Caruso. I would have to legit stop posting on the Pels Talk for a while after that.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:51 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I have learned there are two things that divide this board.
The potential of Dyson Daniels and Ingram’s worth as a star in this league. Not saying anyone is completely right or wrong here but people have some pretty strong stance on each.
The potential of Dyson Daniels and Ingram’s worth as a star in this league. Not saying anyone is completely right or wrong here but people have some pretty strong stance on each.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
Caruso was 23 when he came into the league and shot 30% from 3.
Dyson doesnt turn 23 for another THREE years.
I would be patient with Dyson
Dyson doesnt turn 23 for another THREE years.
I would be patient with Dyson
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:56 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:True...unless we reach a point where we're a legit contender. Then he would be a nice piece to dangle for an upgrade.
I would be patient with Dyson
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Splitting hairs. He is 30 next month.
Hes 29 but I get your point in regards to him being older.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:03 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
Caruso was 23 when he came into the league and shot 30% from 3. Dyson doesnt turn 23 for another THREE years.
Jaxson Hayes just turned 23- sometimes players don’t improve.
Obviously Dyson is a miles better player on defense than Jaxson ever was but the reason I brought Jaxson up is just because a player is young doesn’t automatically mean they will improve.
I think there needs to be a progression seen. I’m sure people will say Dyson improved on offense this year. But realistically he really hasn’t. Hes been pretty awful offensively. Again lets see if pels have patience or flip him.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:08 pm to shel311
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Then he would be a nice piece to dangle for an upgrade.
One of your earlier posts mentioned that teams exploit weaknesses in the playoffs. LAC, Phoenix, Sacramento, OKC, and Dallas all have a major weakness in front court depth that we should be focused on being able to exploit. It may be difficult to upgrade JV in the next 2 weeks, but there are plenty of available pieces that would add to our front court advantage and provide additional protection in case of injury or foul trouble. I think this would be much more likely to make a difference in a series outcome than the upgrade from Dyson to Caruso. If both can be done, great. But I would definitely prioritize front court depth with a focus on someone who can defend the PnR.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:10 pm to mhasen1
quote:That's fair, and I tend to agree.
One of your earlier posts mentioned that teams exploit weaknesses in the playoffs. LAC, Phoenix, Sacramento, OKC, and Dallas all have a major weakness in front court depth that we should be focused on being able to exploit. It may be difficult to upgrade JV in the next 2 weeks, but there are plenty of available pieces that would add to our front court advantage and provide additional protection in case of injury or foul trouble. I think this would be much more likely to make a difference in a series outcome than the upgrade from Dyson to Caruso. If both can be done, great. But I would definitely prioritize front court depth with a focus on someone who can defend the PnR.
I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:12 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Splitting hairs. He is 30 next month.
Hence I put “I get your point.”
You do realize you’re “splitting hairs” about “splitting hairs.” Kind of funny actually.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:16 pm to shel311
quote:
I think my biggest contention is more so how easily it was dismissed. I don't think it's a terrible idea in the right context/situation to add a Caruso for a Dyson. We're not there now, but there's a probably small chance where it at the very least, makes some sense and isn't just an automatic "no, that's terrible" IMO
My issue is that if Dyson is traded it should be part of a package that gets us a real upgrade to our core
Not for a 1-2 year upgrade at a bench spot
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:19 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
The potential of Dyson Daniels and Ingram’s worth as a star in this league. Not saying anyone is completely right or wrong here but people have some pretty strong stance on each.
As for Dyson, I'm cautiously optimistic he can become a decent offensive player but I do have some doubts.
I have zero doubts BI is what he is. A good, not great player who can never be a No. 1
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:37 pm to ghost2most
Just a reminder that Dyson was a consensus top-10 selection in the 2022 draft. Let's give him some time. Via Ringer's 2022 Draft Guide...
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Much like fellow Australian Josh Giddey, Daniels’s passing is his real appeal. He’s such an advanced pick-and-roll artist that he’s already able to draw in defenders with the threat of his floater and pull-up, only to throw a jump pass to his rolling big man. He just executes at a high level. When a shooter comes off a screen, he puts the ball right in their pocket. If a play is called for a lob, he makes it easy for the guy leaping to the basket. There’s no pass that he can’t make.
Coordinated ball handler who plays at his own pace. He has clean footwork on spins and he can glide into runners. Though he isn’t especially explosive, he knows how to use his skills to his advantage with angles and touch.
Excellent defender with the versatility to defend guards and wings. His intelligence translates on this end with the way he positions himself and sticks to his man. But he’s not just a basketball nerd who studies hard—he plays his arse off and sets the tone for his teammates. Fans will love this guy immediately.
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Much like fellow Australian Josh Giddey, Daniels’s passing is his real appeal. He’s such an advanced pick-and-roll artist that he’s already able to draw in defenders with the threat of his floater and pull-up, only to throw a jump pass to his rolling big man. He just executes at a high level. When a shooter comes off a screen, he puts the ball right in their pocket. If a play is called for a lob, he makes it easy for the guy leaping to the basket. There’s no pass that he can’t make.
Coordinated ball handler who plays at his own pace. He has clean footwork on spins and he can glide into runners. Though he isn’t especially explosive, he knows how to use his skills to his advantage with angles and touch.
Excellent defender with the versatility to defend guards and wings. His intelligence translates on this end with the way he positions himself and sticks to his man. But he’s not just a basketball nerd who studies hard—he plays his arse off and sets the tone for his teammates. Fans will love this guy immediately.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:22 pm to New City Champ
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:41 pm to shel311
quote:
New Orleans Pelicans have interest in Atlanta Hawks forward/center Onyeka Okongwu a source with knowledge tells Scoop B Radio.
This season the 6’10 big man is averaging 9.2 points, 6.8 rebounds & a block per contest in the ATL.
Per ScoopB
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:45 pm to Soggymoss
Yes please. I’ve been wanting okongwu for years
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:47 pm to Soggymoss
He would be a nice acquisition at the position going into next year. He's a guy I would absolutely give up picks to get since he's on a great contract and he been held back by Atlanta's logjam at the position.
But I kind of doubt Atlanta will be serious about letting him go. They probably looking to dump Capela and go with Okongwu next year.
But I kind of doubt Atlanta will be serious about letting him go. They probably looking to dump Capela and go with Okongwu next year.
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