re: Pelicans Trade Rumors and Chatter

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Caruso is a legit playoff rotation guy.

Dyson is a guy we likely do not want in our playoff rotation

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I would agree, but he's still a backup player, and backup players aren't helping you win more playoff games.
It's up to BI and Zion on what we do in the playoffs, and to a lesser degree CJ.

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I would agree, but he's still a backup player, and backup players aren't helping you win more playoff games.

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Role players matter less in the playoffs, but they do matter more than zero.


I'd also argue in the playoffs, teams really go out of their way to exploit your weaknesses, which likely means leaving Dyson wide open to take all the 3s he wants...which we do not want.

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Are you serious?

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Yes, he's clearly better on offense than Dyson.

He's also better defensively.

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You're acting like Caruso is some star that moves the needle for this team

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He said Caruso is clearly better offensively. It doesn't take being a star to be better than Dyson, so I'm not following you here.

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while having a career year offensively that is "much much better" offensive version of Dyson according to you is actually only FOUR ppg better while playing more minutes

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Don't do this

It's not close, Dyson is a big time liability on offense. Caruso is not.

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No reason at all to trade a 20 year old in his second year,

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There might be.

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No reason to be in win now mode

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If we're 2-3 games out of the 1 or 2 seed at the deadline, you still saying that?

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i agree, but our main role players are goign to be Larry, Trey and Hawkins, and we know Jose and Naji can play as well, and I don't care what anyone says Dyson is one of the best defenders in the league.

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Honestly dont be surprised if Willie opts to go with Jose over Hawkins come playoff time. I don’t agree at all but I know Willie- hes going to go with his guys come playoff time.

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Yes, he's clearly better on offense than Dyson.

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Never said he wasn't.

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He's also better defensively.

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Don't agree there but whatever, if you think he is, fine. He's certainly not better by much. Dyson is a better rebounder and distributer.

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He said Caruso is clearly better offensively. It doesn't take being a star to be better than Dyson, so I'm not following you here.

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He said much much better. Caruso is 30 and in his 7th year and in his career year offensively he's averaging 10 ppg. At 23 years old he was averaging 3.6 and shooting 30% from 3. It's not that big of a stretch to think that Dyson could end up being a better player than Caruso.

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It's not close, Dyson is a big time liability on offense. Caruso is not.

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Until this year, herb was a big time liability of on offense. Dyson is a difference maker on defense and I'm fine giving him a pass on his offense right now. We don't need him to be elite on offense just yet. It's not fair to him to expect him to be great offensively. You drafted him on potential, not an immediate offensive impact guy.

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There might be.

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Sure, just not for a minimal upgrade in Caruso. You think think the upgrade Caruso gives you on offense over Dyson, moves the needle for this team? Caruso for Dyson takes you from the 2nd round to the conference finals? Because if he doesn't there is ZERO reason to trade him.

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If we're 2-3 games out of the 1 or 2 seed at the deadline, you still saying that?

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If we are, that doesn't change the fact that a Caruso trade is not a legit win now trade. That's a trade that makes one of your backups a better 3 point shooter. A win now trade needs to be a bigger splash, which I'd be much more on board with. We're coming up on the most difficult part of our schedule, one where we hope we can go 2-2 over the next four. There are 7 games until the trade deadline, odds are we are not making some big move in the standings from now until then.

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How many more play off games do we win with Caruso instead of Dyson? 1? MAYBE 2?

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Zero.

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Until this year, herb was a big time liability of on offense. Dyson is a difference maker on defense and I'm fine giving him a pass on his offense right now. We don't need him to be elite on offense just yet. It's not fair to him to expect him to be great offensively. You drafted him on potential, not an immediate offensive impact guy.

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I’m not arguing your other points because you’re not completely wrong and a lot of it is based on Dyson potential which either of us can be right or wrong on.

Herb was not a big time liability on offense. Herb has always hit his 3s in the 30% range, great in transition, makes great cuts and alwayd been a great driver. The biggest difference in Herbs game from his rookie year is honestly just that hes hitting a threes a lot more consistently. Dyson had lot more things to work on offensively.

No one is expecting Dyson to be elite or great we’re asking him to be playable on offense. His offense is abysmal. Hes throwing up either 0 points or single digut points almost every night. Agreed Dyson is a difference maker on defense but he does nothing offensively.

Yes he was drafted on potential but no one expected him to struggle this much on offense. Its been a little surprising that hes had these many issues. Even in thr gleague before being drafted, he showed signs of hitting the three ball. That has completely disappeared in the pros. His lack of aggression offensively coming into the league had been puzzling as well.

Its easy to get on run and make a move in the standings in the West. Its very close. Having homecourt in the west would be very beneficial for this young team in the playoffs.

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Or do you flip him for someone who can help you win now?

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This is the same thinking by almost the entire board as the reason we had to sign Lowery to the max a couple years ago. And I said it woukd be a huge mistake. We all see how that played out….

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Come on man. Did you also see the pelicans getting CJ for basically 2nd round picks as well? Yes it worked out for us in the end not getting Lowry, but we got lucky working out a great deal to get CJ.

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No one knew that, but someone always shakes free. My point being, yiu dint make stupid arse moves with the hope to win right now. This would be a stupid arse move.

Funny but Griff could have overpaid slightly more than Chicago and signed Caruso that same off-season instead of stupidly chasing and waiting on Lowery….

Caruso is a key rotational player on a playoff/championship team. Dyson is not now.

It all depends on the price, if we give up JV and Dyson for Caruso and Drummond, I would not give up a 1st which was suggested earlier in this thread.

A bench of Trey, Caruso, Nance, Hawkins, Naji and Jose is deep and quality with Naji and Jose out of playoff rotations.