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The best way to watch the Star Wars saga

Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:47 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:47 pm
Everyone hates the prequels, but everyone has the dilemma of showing them to friends who have never seen the Star Wars films before. So how do we show virgins of Star Wars the Star Wars Saga? Do we show them in Release Order or in Episode Order? I stumbled onto a blog that says none of the above. The best way to view them? Machete Order!

You start with Episodes IV and V. You end Empire Strikes Back with that awesome cliffhanger involving Vader being Luke's father. After you watch V, you stick in Episode II and follow it immediately after with Episode III. You SKIP Episode I entirely because it is pointless to the story. After watching Episode III, you finish the saga off with Episode VI.

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Why Does This Work Better?

As I mentioned, this creates a lot of tension after the cliffhanger ending of Episode V. It also uses the original trilogy as a framing device for the prequel trilogy. Vader drops this huge bomb that he’s Luke’s father, then we spend two movies proving he’s telling the truth, then we see how it gets resolved. The Star Wars watching experience gets to start with the film that does the best job of establishing the Star Wars universe, Episode IV, and it ends with the most satisfying ending, Episode VI. It also starts the series off with the two strongest films, and allows you to never have to either start or end your viewing experience with a shitty movie. Two films of Luke’s story, two films of Anakin’s story, then a single film that intertwines and ends both stories.

Beyond this, Episode I establishes Anakin as a cute little kid, totally innocent. But Episode II quickly establishes him as impulsive and power-hungry, which keeps his character consistent with eventually becoming Darth Vader. Obi-Wan never really seems to have any control over Anakin, struggling between treating him as a friend (their very first conversation together in Episode II) and treating him as an apprentice (their second conversation, with Padme). Anakin is never a carefree child yelling “yippee”, he’s a complex teenager nearly boiling over with rage in almost every scene. It makes much more sense for Anakin to have always been this way.

In the opening of Episode II, Padme refers to Anakin as “that little boy I knew on Tatooine.” The two of them look approximately the same age in Episode II, so the viewer can naturally conclude that the two of them were friends as children. This completely hides the totally weird age gap between them from Episode I, and lends a lot of believability to the subsequent romance. Scenes in which they fall for each other seem to build on a childhood friendship that we never see but can assume is there. Since their relationship is the eventual reason for Anakin’s fall to the dark side, having it be somewhat believable makes a big difference.

Obi-Wan now always has a beard for the entire duration of the series, and Anakin Skywalker always wears black. Since these two characters are played by different actors (and are the only characters in the series with such a distinction), having them look visually consistent does a great deal toward reinforcing they are the same people.

This order also preserves both twists. George Lucas knew that watching the films in Episode Order would remove the Vader twist, so he added the Palpatine twist to compensate. Since we don’t really meet the Emperor until Episode VI, this order preserves the twist around Palpatine taking over as Emperor. Episode I establishes that Darth Sidious is manipulating the Trade Federation in the opening scene of the film, and it’s pretty obvious Sidious is Palpatine. But if you skip Episode I, all we ever see is that Count Dooku is leading a separatist movement, all on his own. Dooku tells Obi-Wan that the Senate is under the control of a Sith lord named “Darth Sidious”, but at the end of the movie, after Dooku flees from Geonosis, he meets with his “master”, who turns out to be Darth Sidious. This is the first time we realize that the separatist movement is actually being controlled by Sidious, and it’s the first time we see him, which doesn’t give the audience a chance to realize he’s Palpatine (remember, nobody has ever referred to “Emperor Palpatine” by this point in the series).

Machete order also keeps the fact that Luke and Leia are siblings a surprise, it simply moves the surprise to Episode III instead of VI, when Padme announces her daughter’s name. This is actually a more effective twist in this context than when Obi-Wan just tells Luke in Return of the Jedi. We get to find out before Luke, and we discover she’s carrying twins along with Obi-Wan when the Gynobot tells him. Luke’s name is first, so when Padme names the other kid “Leia” it’s a pretty shocking reveal. As an added bonus, there are now about 5 hours of film between the discovery that they are siblings and the time they kissed.


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This post was edited on 2/29/12 at 8:48 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:50 pm to
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The best way to view them? Machete Order!


nah frick that.

I go episode order.

Would love for them to do episodes 7-9
Posted by TigerWerm
7th circle of hell
Member since Nov 2005
6049 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:51 pm to
interesting take

Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44929 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:57 pm to
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You SKIP Episode I entirely because it is pointless to the story.


no problem with that
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
33050 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:02 pm to
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friends who have never seen the Star Wars films before


i would assume that 99.9% of people (amish excluded) know that DV is Luke's father even if they know nothing more about the saga.
Posted by TotallyTigers
Champagnionship
Member since Nov 2004
2891 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:05 pm to
I'll just go ahead and watch episodes 4-6 and say frick the prequels.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
45664 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:17 pm to
I was skeptical from your post, but after reading his entire blog post on it, I think that is how I will show it to my future children
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33819 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:18 pm to
I can't give an educated opinion because I never saw the last two movies. I loved Star Wars, Empire & Return.

I waited in line & saw Phantom Menace on the biggest screen in the State of Texas with my nerdy buddies that were doing SW's trivia with the guys around us. Many of the people in line were in costume. My friends did tee's. One brought his Boba Fett helmet but settled for the BF tee & left the helmet in the car.We paid one guys kids to save places for us. Menace sucked so bad I never saw the other two.

After all of that build up for such a bad movie when they asked me to go to the second prequel I said,"Hell no!"
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:24 pm to
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i would assume that 99.9% of people (amish excluded) know that DV is Luke's father even if they know nothing more about the saga.


showed it to my gf for the first time a few months ago, she had never seen any of them and knew nothing about them, but when that scene happened she quoted with the movie "Luke I am your father"

so yes, everyone knows that already
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42409 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:49 pm to
Watch them in order of how they came out. Old first then new. It's been a good while since I watched any of them so I started from ep 1 last week. Took me four days to finish because it's so terrible. Bout to finish ep 3 and pop in A New Hope. Ready for these to be over; they are at times painful to watch and I'm not a fanboy just a casual fan.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
9581 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 9:53 pm to
what happens in episodes 7-9 anyway?
Posted by Josh Fenderman
Ron Don Volante's PlayPen
Member since Jul 2011
7044 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 10:07 pm to
I'm missing why this is called "Machete order?" Because it chops the sequence up?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 10:24 pm to
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The best way to watch the Star Wars saga

pretend it ends with Empire
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
24392 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 10:51 pm to
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what happens in episodes 7-9 anyway?


Thrawn happens.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 10:57 pm to
This should not even be a question

The prequels DO NOT exist. I repeat.

THE PREQUELS DO NOT EXIST

This post was edited on 2/29/12 at 11:03 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38665 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 10:58 pm to
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You start with Episodes IV and V. You end Empire Strikes Back with that awesome cliffhanger involving Vader being Luke's father. After you watch V, you stick in Episode II and follow it immediately after with Episode III. You SKIP Episode I entirely because it is pointless to the story. After watching Episode III, you finish the saga off with Episode VI.


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Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71155 posts
Posted on 2/29/12 at 11:51 pm to
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so yes, everyone knows that already


My future kids don't. I was 7 or 8 when I saw the original trilogy and I knew nothing about the plot twist involving Vader and Luke. It took me totally by surprise. It took these kids by surprise, too.

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Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 3/1/12 at 1:33 am to
I have never seen this before, but it sounds like an awesome idea that keeps it really suspenseful throughout. I definitely think I'll show them to my kids in this order
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15603 posts
Posted on 3/1/12 at 5:57 am to
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I'll just go ahead and watch episodes 4-6 and say frick the prequels.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14463 posts
Posted on 3/1/12 at 6:20 am to
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You start with Episodes IV and V. You end Empire Strikes Back with that awesome cliffhanger involving Vader being Luke's father. After you watch V, you stick in Episode II and follow it immediately after with Episode III. You SKIP Episode I entirely because it is pointless to the story. After watching Episode III, you finish the saga off with Episode VI.
The good thing about this order, given the DVD/Blu-Ray releases is you don't have to explain who the frick Hayden Christiansen is and why he is a Force ghost at the end of Jedi.
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