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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:57 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:57 pm to 3nOut
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Stopped the Dothraki from raping.
Season 1, after they already did a ton of raping that day.
The person she saved literally told her she did nothing.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:58 pm to SammyTiger
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From a story standpoint how do you kill evil Queen Dany if you can’t get to her?
i mean it's not like she doesn't still have a fricking dragon
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Once she stopped listening and stopped thinking she could rule through love, why not make a fricking statement?
this requires such a leap of logic that it's more insane than Dany
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Who the frick is gonna mess with her now?
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From a story standpoint how do you kill evil Queen Dany if you can’t get to her?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:58 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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If people want to disagree that they could not have portrayed her slip any better over the past episode and a half, that's fine and we can just disagree. If you're going to criticize our point though, at least demonstrate you can actually understand what we are arguing. None of them have seemed to do that. They are still trying to beat us over the head with the fact that we were given hints of this outcome throughout the show. None of the posters in this thread are arguing otherwise.
Why would you want her to lose it over the course of a bunch of episodes? It would have just been predictable then.
Im not arguing that she didnt snap and was out of character a little. But I just think subtle hints of her possibly doing that were better than a obvious drawing out of her craziness.
You say they have built it up for multiple seasons, why not have it come down to a small window rather than a short, but not completely surprising outcome?
There was always a chance she could be a mad queen, when it turns out that she actually is, people think it sucks. I get that she was a little bit of both this season, but its not like it was full blown one way so it prevented it from being predictable.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:59 pm to monsterballads
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And now we have run out of development episodes. It’s a TV show telling a story on a time constraint.
a. the time constraint was chosen by D/D so they're still in the crosshairs for that choice
b. they had seasons on their own to do a better job with this development. THAT is the criticisms being discussed right now
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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actually, you know, showing her increased moral flexibility (especially with respect to innocent civilians) ?
Crucifying innocent people in mereen. Killing unarmed surrendered soldiers. Intent to burn cities to the ground. Never mind those.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Why would you want her to lose it over the course of a bunch of episodes? It would have just been predictable then.
So my point that they did it for the "gotcha" and shock value (which you vehemently argued against) was valid.
Weird how that works.
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There was always a chance she could be a mad queen, when it turns out that she actually is, people think it sucks.
Has anyone ITT or on this site said it sucks, or are you talking about the feminazi types that are butthurt because their favorite TV character turned out to be a physcopath?
Most of what I've seen is that the mad queen outcome could have been awesome. Emphasis on could have.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Why would you want her to lose it over the course of a bunch of episodes? It would have just been predictable then.
what's wrong with predictable, especially when establishing the biggest villain in the entire series?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:01 pm to monsterballads
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It’s a TV show telling a story on a time constraint.
An artificial constraint of the show runner's own making. HBO would have been happy to keep making full seasons till the end of time. The show runners decided to truncate the last two seasons.
So they deal with both the NK and King's Landing in the same season, making it necessary to turn the dial quick on Dany. They wanted to finish it quick, and it shows. Hence why, what otherwise was a technical masterpiece of film making on the small screen, is the worst reviewed episode of the series when it should have been a triumph.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
They’ve had at least 13 episodes to wrap this up. 13 hours minimum. 4 movies worth. And they couldn’t do it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:02 pm to Adam Banks
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Crucifying innocent people in mereen
not innocents
not civilians
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Killing unarmed surrendered soldiers
not innovents
not civilians
they were given a choice as well
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Intent to burn cities to the ground.
"Intent"
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Never mind those.
considering they aren't examples of innocent civilians, yes, never mind those
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:02 pm to SammyTiger
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The person she saved literally told her she did nothing
Cool. I’ll stop feeding panhandlers on the side of the road or giving to individuals.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
My point is at least Jon and Tyrion could get into a room with her and maybe kill her.
No outside force is gonna survive the Dragon.
If she dies it’s not in battle.
The logic is there. Dany is going to rule through fear. She said that. She has given up hope of being loved by this generation.
There is a reason people In real life used to raise cities. You want realism, ruling through fear is realism
No outside force is gonna survive the Dragon.
If she dies it’s not in battle.
The logic is there. Dany is going to rule through fear. She said that. She has given up hope of being loved by this generation.
There is a reason people In real life used to raise cities. You want realism, ruling through fear is realism
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:03 pm to Adam Banks
quote:They weren’t innocent to her. They were slavers.
Crucifying innocent people in mereen.
quote:As punishment for a crime after giving them another choice.
Killing unarmed surrendered soldiers.
quote:A throwaway line no different than Mel’s colored eyes to Arya.
Intent to burn cities to the ground.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:04 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Why would you want her to lose it over the course of a bunch of episodes? It would have just been predictable then.
It was always predictable. You guys can't simultaneously argue they've been building it up for the entire series while also arguing if they extended her actual fall into madness it would have been too predictable
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There was always a chance she could be a mad queen, when it turns out that she actually is, people think it sucks.
Still don't get it.
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You say they have built it up for multiple seasons, why not have it come down to a small window rather than a short, but not completely surprising outcome?
I'd rather them make her snap more believable. How is that so hard to understand? I really don't get what your hangup here is. I get it, you don't think they could have done any better. I on the other hand think how they finally made her snap was not well done or well thought out. It could have been done much better. It is really that simple. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to get.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
People chose to believe she was good despite all of the evidence that she was really capable of being quite evil herself.
It has been evident in the show and it hasn’t really even been subtle. She did what she said she was going to do back in season 2 when her dragons grew up.
It has been evident in the show and it hasn’t really even been subtle. She did what she said she was going to do back in season 2 when her dragons grew up.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:04 pm to 3nOut
I dont Remember the next time Dany stopped Dothraki from raping people.
She sorta broke up 1 rape and people act like she made an executive decision.
If anything it’s another example of when doing the right thing fricked her.z
Because who killed her baby?
She sorta broke up 1 rape and people act like she made an executive decision.
If anything it’s another example of when doing the right thing fricked her.z
Because who killed her baby?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not innocents
It is made clear that not all of the nobles she crucified were in on the previous stuff. So yes innocent yes civilians
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Killing unarmed surrendered soldiers not innovents not civilians they were given a choice as well
And it is way outside the moral norm in Westeros to do what she did. It is established in book one. The killing of Ned Stark is way outside the norm. The dealings with the Greyjoy’s post their rebellion. These were unarmed surrendered soldiers and prisoners of war.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:06 pm to ell_13
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They weren’t innocent to her. They were slavers.
So was Jorah.
And “tonher” is a huge qualifier.
She also said the people in KL had their chance to overthrow Cersei and didn’t.
The complicit in her mind now.
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As punishment for a crime after giving them another choice.
Prisoners of war. Not criminals.
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A throwaway line no different than Mel’s colored eyes to Arya
Let’s just ignore everything that foreshadowed this and pretend there was no forshadowing
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:07 pm to ell_13
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As punishment for a crime
The crime of defending their home from a barbarian horde?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:07 pm to monsterballads
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People chose to believe she was good despite all of the evidence that she was really capable of being quite evil herself.
let me be clear
i've always hated Dany
she's a whiny brat portrayed by a terrible actress and her story has been the most boring and idiotic part of this series
she's constantly doing stupid shite and has had to be saved by deus ex drachina on multiple occasions
i'm not invested in her, i didn't name a kid after her, and i'm not upset that she turned evil
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