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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:27 pm to MickeyLikesDags21
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:27 pm to MickeyLikesDags21
But but d and d didn’t develop this!!!1!1!1!1
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:27 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I am totally fine admitting I am wrong or if something is going over my head. Im rarely dead set on something on here and am fine eating crow.
I wouldnt mind hearing this change in thinking though, because im missing the point. Its like you did a 180 in the span of 4 posts.
I haven't flipped my stance at all. The possibility of a mad queen ending was seeded in season one, but was not a guarantee by any means. There were so many threads being pulled at that point it was impossible to know. We've continued to get glimpses of it, but also gotten herrings that she was growing into a different role.
The ending, whichever they chose, needed a bit more subtly than what was given. The Red wedding was a great twist because it went against the grain the of the political nature of the show. I think trying to use that same blunt force tactic with Dany, and to ultimately wrap up the series, was lazy.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:28 pm to Adam Banks
Sigh. You guys still aren't getting it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:31 pm to MickeyLikesDags21
Link? I gotta Show some buddies.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:31 pm to RB10
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I haven't flipped my stance at all. The possibility of a mad queen ending was seeded in season one, but was not a guarantee by any means. There were so many threads being pulled at that point it was impossible to know. We've continued to get glimpses of it, but also gotten herrings that she was growing into a different role.
So it wasnt something that happened in the past two episodes, like you've said 5,000 times now?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:33 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So it wasnt something that happened in the past two episodes, like you've said 5,000 times now?
Jesus Christ.
I'm not explaining it to you again. If you haven't caught on by now, you're not going to. Read through one of the dozen or so posts I've submitted it explaining it if you need to.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:33 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
The primary argument is that it happened too quickly despite her demonstrating this borderline behavior throughout and at times crossing it-multiple unjust executions. Whenever she steps over that line it’s typically been a half step or full step over but been forgiven/tossed aside. Now that the people who kept her in check are gone she snaps big. They foreshadowed it throughout showed her fallouts and then showed her planning it. What more do you want? A series of flashback montages?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
it's times like these that i wish we had a way to time travel
going back to episodes 1 and 2 and floating this theory would have gotten ridiculed by the Showdors
a good chunk of the "evidence" posted on the last page with any relevance was more to shite on Tyrion (which was a choice D/D have made that may make less sense than Dany's sudden heel turn last ep)
it also ignores things like dany chaining up her dragons in Mereen b/c ONE kid gets killed
also most of the evidence shows a frustration about winning, which was created by false conflict the past couple episodes making it seem like it would be difficult. the heel turn came AFTER winning
killing a million people and literally destroying the capitol only makes sense if ruling (not winning) was the difficulty (which was what had been shown before)
going back to episodes 1 and 2 and floating this theory would have gotten ridiculed by the Showdors
a good chunk of the "evidence" posted on the last page with any relevance was more to shite on Tyrion (which was a choice D/D have made that may make less sense than Dany's sudden heel turn last ep)
it also ignores things like dany chaining up her dragons in Mereen b/c ONE kid gets killed
also most of the evidence shows a frustration about winning, which was created by false conflict the past couple episodes making it seem like it would be difficult. the heel turn came AFTER winning
killing a million people and literally destroying the capitol only makes sense if ruling (not winning) was the difficulty (which was what had been shown before)
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:34 pm to RB10
I dont Think you can slowly develops Dany murdering people.
I think She has to snap.
Jon, Tyrion all of those characters aren’t going to stick around if she’s burning random villages as drooling like a mad woman.
If they aren’t at least somewhat close to her, they have no shot at stopping her.
We’ve been complaining about how ineffective Tyrion has been for 3 seasons.
His advise has been “you have to find alternative ways of ruling besides through fear of your dragons” pretty much every plan is based around that.
She’s now lost a lot because of that advise.
That’s the set ip
I think She has to snap.
Jon, Tyrion all of those characters aren’t going to stick around if she’s burning random villages as drooling like a mad woman.
If they aren’t at least somewhat close to her, they have no shot at stopping her.
We’ve been complaining about how ineffective Tyrion has been for 3 seasons.
His advise has been “you have to find alternative ways of ruling besides through fear of your dragons” pretty much every plan is based around that.
She’s now lost a lot because of that advise.
That’s the set ip
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:35 pm to RB10
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Read through one of the dozen or so posts I've submitted it explaining it if you need to.
You claim they were making her less ruthless over the last two seasons but that’s patently false and has been refuted by multiple people with evidence. She was acting way out of the norm for Westeros and has been advised as such by all her Westeros natives. She acted like the barbarian from essos that she is
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:36 pm to RB10
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My complaint is that rather than flesh out the madness slowly, like they should have, the writers decided to flip a switch. It was lazy. End of story.
I think the argument here is that it has been fleshed out slowly. It’s been her entire story. This is a girl trying to break the mold of the rulers in her family and other families before her. She had 3 dragons giving her arguably more power and claim than anyone in recent history yet tried to gain control.
We see her tested throughout the series, but has been largely restrained from using the force she obviously possesses.
In the past episodes, she has lost most of her power and even her claim. What she had been working for had slipped away. She snaps a thinks the only way she will actually rule is to burn the whole thing down. No, it was not logical or pragmatic, it was a move of desperation.
Out of all the storylines that feel rushed or just poorly executed, I just don’t think this is one of them.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:36 pm to SammyTiger
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I dont Think you can slowly develops Dany murdering people.
Sure you can. It just takes intricacy that the writers of the show couldn't produce.
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Jon, Tyrion all of those characters aren’t going to stick around if she’s burning random villages as drooling like a mad woman.
Jon would stick around as long as necessary to get what he needs to kill the NK. Tyrion is debatable, but there was really no where else for him to go and still be a part of the story. It was either stick by Dany or slink off to the far corner of the world.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is stannis the mannis all over again
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:38 pm to RB10
Yea nobody is getting your retarded post buddy.
You're contradicting yourself within the same posts now.
You're contradicting yourself within the same posts now.
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I haven't flipped my stance at all. The possibility of a mad queen ending was seeded in season one, but was not a guarantee by any means. There were so many threads being pulled at that point it was impossible to know. We've continued to get glimpses of it, but also gotten herrings that she was growing into a different role.
The ending, whichever they chose, needed a bit more subtly than what was given.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:38 pm to SammyTiger
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I dont Think you can slowly develops Dany murdering people.
I think She has to snap.
Jon, Tyrion all of those characters aren’t going to stick around if she’s burning random villages as drooling like a mad woman.
like i said earlier, this gives the motivation to turn that level of heel
also, John is utterly irrelevant once the NK is killed (esp if he didn't kill the NK). D/D have made Tyrion an idiot, so why does he matter, either?
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She’s now lost a lot because of that advise.
what, exactly did she lose b/c he told her not to burn KL to the ground?
hell 2 of her 3 biggest losses (Rhaegal and Missandei) were 100% her fault
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:38 pm to Adam Banks
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You claim they were making her less ruthless over the last two seasons but that’s patently false and has been refuted by multiple people with evidence.
It's been refuted by multiple people using the same instance (killing the Tarly's). One instance over 2+ seasons is a reduction in the amount of crazy she'd been displaying.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:39 pm to RB10
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Sure you can. It just takes intricacy that the writers of the show couldn't produce
Like what?
“Idk good writers would though”
Maybe subtle hints that she’s ruthless in nature when she doesn’t get her way.
Maybe like every other character talking about how she needs good advisors to keep her from being like her father?
Maybe all those good advisors slowly losing any sway they have with her?
Nah we need her killing increasing amounts of innocent people. That’s good writing.
Get ducked guy
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:39 pm to MF Doom
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This is stannis the mannis all over again
i'm not a book reader so that wasn't my fight, but it does seem similar
Posted on 5/14/19 at 1:40 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You're contradicting yourself within the same posts now.
I don't think you know what contradict means....
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