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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to SammyTiger
quote:You think slavers are innocent?
And “tonher” is a huge qualifier.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wrong.
Watch the show
It wasn’t just about beating Cersei.
She doesn’t just have to win a war she has to rule. And even though she was going the right thing people loved Jon and hated her.
So the problem is how do you rule people who won’t accept you?
And she solved that problem the way she solved it in Meereen.
Fear.
But instead of the masters it was the people
Of Westwros
Watch the show
It wasn’t just about beating Cersei.
She doesn’t just have to win a war she has to rule. And even though she was going the right thing people loved Jon and hated her.
So the problem is how do you rule people who won’t accept you?
And she solved that problem the way she solved it in Meereen.
Fear.
But instead of the masters it was the people
Of Westwros
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to monsterballads
quote:
And her going from cruel to evil was built up over 6 seasons.
no. it wasn't.
what other EVIL stuff did she do?
what other cruel acts were done to innocent civilians?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to monsterballads
quote:
It’s been building up for 6 seasons. She finally had her “frick this” moment
Her "frick this" moment was a terrible "frick this" moment. You don't have a "frick this" moment when you've just achieved everything you've been trying to do for 7 seasons.
Using the cop out of she went insane so it doesn't have to make sense is again, just poor writing.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:17 pm to ell_13
You think crucifixion is the answer for being a slaver in a slaver society?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:18 pm to MF Doom
quote:Yeah, you make a good point. There's "evil", then there's "GOT evil". I guess the line is drawn when you kill kids. I dont think Dany killed any kids before last episode. I could be wrong.
Hell, Jon executed Janos Slynt for talking shite
EVIL MAN
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
those 2 dragons died via some of the most retarded writing in major television history, so let's go with "not a coincidence"
Haha. No argument there.
quote:
there was a lot of development to get to that point. her brother was shown to be a weak, spineless guy who ruled nothing but felt entitled to rule. during that same time period, Dany began to understand what true power and ruling was like. hence "fire cannot kill the dragon" (after Viserys kept claiming he was the dragon. it was self realization that developed over like 6-7 straight episodes).
we had 2 to get to the Mad Queen
So, after learning to use her pussy to control Drogo, she learned that ruthlessness begat power?
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only applies to the Unsullied and not all the other slaves she freed in Slaver's Bay
I seem to recall slaves rising up on the walls with their masters and slaying them while the Unsullied waited outside. Am I wrong in this? Would be silly to assume these slaves didn't get more fighting in elsewhere. Pretty sure they specifically form some sort of guard group in the books (yes, different from the show/topic at hand.)
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where are all these examples of her moral flexibility with innocent civilians?
You mean besides all the times she's threatened to burn cities to the ground or crucified innocent folks and left them to die and rot without being buried for some time? Man, I don't know right off hand, but it has been made clear enough that this is her base instinct.
How about a few episodes back, in obvious shite talking...
Sansa: What do dragons eat anyway?
Dany: Whatever they want. (aka: kids are fair game!)
quote:
the best you're going to steal from the internet is the group of maids trying to imprison here at Vaes Dothrak
Oh...you're the only guy with original ideas, huh? Everyone else has to steal their points from the internet?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:18 pm to Adam Banks
quote:No. The crime of not surrendering when you’ve lost. They were given a choice. A reasonable one. Accept her as ruler or die. Welcome to how wars work.
The crime of defending their home from a barbarian horde?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:19 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
She had a multitude of options she chose cruelty
i'm not arguing that she wasn't cruel
especially to nobility that opposed her
i'm arguing she wasn't evil
especially to innocent civilians
quote:
didn’t show her morally slipping but by establishing these moral norms they are doing just that.
to nobles
to those with power to oppose her
sure i agree
NOT to innocent civilians, though
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:19 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:
Using the cop out of she went insane so it doesn't have to make sense is again, just poor writing.
Amen
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Very few good people are cruel.
Once she viewed the little people as enemies she was 100% consistent with her prior actions.
That was a huge point: how does she act when the people resisting her aren’t “bad guys”
Once she viewed the little people as enemies she was 100% consistent with her prior actions.
That was a huge point: how does she act when the people resisting her aren’t “bad guys”
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:20 pm to SammyTiger
quote:In this context why not?
You think crucifixion is the answer for being a slaver in a slaver society?
No one complained about this when it happened.
But now you idiots are using it as a “YOU SEE SHE WAS CRAZY THEN” mantra. Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:21 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
And even though she was going the right thing people loved Jon and hated her.
when did the show, show her interacting with commoners? especially ones not from the North (who are a bit biased towards John)?
quote:
So the problem is how do you rule people who won’t accept you?
again, where did we see that the common people didn't accept her?
all they did was create irrational, subjective references by Dany herself claiming their lack of rebellion shows they hate her
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:21 pm to ell_13
Except the characters in the show...
Thats the fricking point though. We all ignores the fact she was doing something pretty horrible because she was doing it to bad people.
Thats the fricking point though. We all ignores the fact she was doing something pretty horrible because she was doing it to bad people.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:23 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
We all ignores the fact she was doing something pretty horrible because she was doing it to bad people.
Can be said about every single major character in the show. Even Jon.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:23 pm to SammyTiger
Good people kill bad people in movies/TV? No. Way.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
She talked about her view point on the commoners.
Her perception is all that matters to her
Her perception is all that matters to her
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:23 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
You mean besides all the times she's threatened to burn cities to the ground
but she never did
quote:
or crucified innocent folks
not innocents. not civilians. she crucified the ruling class of a city whose entire economy was based in slavery
cruel? yes
towards the nobility? yes
evil? no
towards innocent civilians? no
quote:
Oh...you're the only guy with original ideas, huh? Everyone else has to steal their points from the internet?
considering people are arguing based off a cheat sheet posted a few pages ago, along with "omg your theory didn't pan out" memes...
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:24 pm to ell_13
Yeah when they have to and usually not in inhuman ways.
I cant Remember a movie where a true good guy crucified a entire ruling class of a city
I cant Remember a movie where a true good guy crucified a entire ruling class of a city
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:24 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Once she viewed the little people as enemies
a major leap of logic in the writing
quote:
how does she act when the people resisting her aren’t “bad guys”
how did we know the common people were resisting her?
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