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That's quite a gamble based on this years conditions, and there's still a lack of sensitivity to having egregious lift tickets for terrible condition


Lift tickets are a headwind and a corporate problem, I dont disagree but the conditions this year are very much a fluke and anyone who skis regularly knows that.

Pass prices in general are pricing folks out but one bad year in our region isnt going to change the dynamics. Get good snow next year, and all those folks using their IKONs at Killington will come out for some Aspen/Steamboat et. all bc the snow and terrain are better where when its good.

Also note that Alterra and Vail have holdings all over the country and some internationally. One region having a bad year gets balanced out.

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either going to VT/ME/NH or simply flying to Europe and getting way more for the dollar.


VT/ME/NH are rarely better bets than CO/UT/CA.

Europe has been true for a while and yet it isnt taking a huge chunk of the US ski business (yet). Pow hounds have Japan, which hold the same pricing benefits plus better food and drink options.

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I still think there's going to be a serious reckoning for the CO/UT/WY big ski resorts unless a big change in direction happens at the corporate level


Its started. The Park City debacle two Christmases ago cost the CEO of Vail their position. Brought back an old CEO this year. The economics in these ski towns are rough to maintain a near min wage staff in top 20 cost of living counties, all while charging these outrageous prices for lift tickets and food/drink.

I just dont think a bad snow year out here is changing the calculus much. The issues have been at play for a good decade niw.
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The hilarious part of this is there's mom and pop places on the east coast that have oodles of snow even now and are a quarter of the cost of colorado big ski resorts with far better snow conditions


Less terrain and this is the worst year since we started keeping records up here. Its a one off.

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You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone on the east coast to go out west and pay crazy prices for shite ski conditions.


But the west beats the east almost every year. Its called the ice coast for a reason. Folks from the east who come out west regularly know the east vs west and aint going to have a fluke year change their patterns.

Plus, the Sun Belt produces a lot of the tourist traffic for the CO/UT mountains. Do you know how many fricking Texas plates ive seen these last two weeks?

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I predict a lot of blood in the Ikon/Vail resorts next year as people refuse to go


:lol:

pass sales will be down but a decent snow year and there will be plenty of revenue at the big mountains.

This year will be punishing, economically, for the tourist driven areas of CO/UT. Thats assuming most of us dont burn this summer but the doom and gloom for the big ski players is misplaced.

re: 2025-2026 Ski Thread

Posted by Duke on 3/9/26 at 5:37 pm to
The west is going to burn down this summer.

I saw exposed rocks on north facing runs that get some grooming today. We're so fricked this summer
Where are ya relative to LR? Thats useful info.
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if it was all math, then meteorologists would be correct all the time


I mean, would it be the case?

Meteorology is all physics, which is explained in the language of math.

But ya know, we gotta simplify shite for the computers to get this done in a reasonable amount of time.

The issue isnt so much that we dont have a good idea whats missing, its the power to calculate it in a time that is useful for predictions
Tell me about it.

My commute is like 20 minutes on I70 from near Keystone to Copper Mountain. I used to pull a much longer commute from Twin Lakes to Copper (~40 minutes in good weather).

I miss the longer commute. It was mostly miners going to Climax and resort worker traffic. Much much better drivers. Plus just two lanes.

On 70, fricking Texas plates and red plates want to just drive down the middle of the road, brake erratically, and go 20mph too slow.
Fernet con Coca is the national drink of Argentina for a reason.
Correct on the ice. Need studded tires to have a prayer
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the ole bartender’s handshake
you nasty


Just exceptional at hospitality, as well as intellectual pursuits.
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Low CoG, heavy AF thanks to the battery, AWD, long gas range


Wish I had more mass in my rig.

Yeah bruh, just go slowish and give the cars in front like 4x the gap you are used to. The enemy in winter driving is accelerations. Avoid that at all cost.

My other piece of advice, if you do fins yourself sliding... dont fricking panic. Fear is the mind killer. Turn slightly into the slide, dont hit the brakes or gas (like a panicked pussy would). Let the traction come back and correct.

Jesus take the wheel works fairly well in an icy slide, fwiw.
Give me a Subaru Forester in most winter driving scenarios.
Ok, my low temps are typically single digits or negative in the winter.

25 and dry feels exponentially better than 40 and humid.

ETA: 108 in Texas. -22 @ Copper Mountain, CO last MLK day
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Dr Josh is just a tool. Dude trying to flex by telling people at home how to calculate the evaporation rate at home


Agreed.

Look, I took a bunch of math to be fairly good at this.

You dont need to understand much of it to be pretty good at weather as a lay person.

"Oh har har, look at me solve the frick out of this second order PDE."

Great bruh, you flexed your smart while enlightening nothing.

Now if Dr. Josh was using this to explain why BR wont get a bunch of ice.. good on him. But i find that equation pretty fricking complex to educate the masses. You know, bc it looks a lot like a linear best fit vs actual theory.
Ive got 1.5" of snow down at my condo in Dillon. Looks to be falling at about half an inch an hour.

Eisenhower Tunnel is still open per the engine breaking I hear if I go outside.
They got to have somebody watching. Loss prevention bruh.
Subies with that boxer engine (low center of gravity) and awd will dominate most winter scenarios.

Sure, its for lesbians, but those rug munchers get to the slopes with ease.
And let me say, precip type and southern winter storms are far from what Im good at. Need to know mountain weather in Summit, Pitkin, Eagle, Park, Lake, or Clear Creek, County in Colorado... I got you.

Need a dude who's good at hurricanes, again, I got you. Though rds puts me to shame.

This shite, I got a decent feel on theory but frankly I lack experience to be good good at it.
frick driving on ice.

AWD or not. Tires are what matters for this and unless u got studs or some burly snow tires, good luck.

And bruh, feel free to look at my post history in this thread for physical reasoning for whats happening. Unless youve never been on a message board before, it should be obvious when Im providing actual info and when Im cutting up.
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Seems unprofessional to get faded and troll folks looking for real time info on a potentially dangerous ice storm...


Bruh, I think I gave yall a pretty strong explanation of what we're looking for, in terms of actual observations.

Plus, Im much more concerned with snowfall and avalanche mitigation in a very specific part of Colorado in my normal gig.