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LSU0358
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
My biggest concern is that Joe is playing for the Bengals. If there was ever a franchise that could ruin a great player, its the Bengals.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever


So who exactly, besides of course LSU fans is it that said Burrow is the greatest prospect ever? There were some scouts that weren't sold on JB as the #1 pick let alone the greatest prospect ever, preferring Tua if Tua was 100% healthy. I was just watching some of the pregame stuff from the NC game last night and McShay said if both Burrow and Lawrence were in the draft, Lawrence would be ranked #1 (please note that was a) before the game and more importantly b) since Lawrence wasn't in the draft he wasn't scrutinized the way he will be when he comes out so no one can say for sure. But there were skeptics on Burrow, keep in mind too there were people, including a number of LSU and other SEC fans that thought Ryan Leaf would be better than P Manning. In the end none of that matters. Burrow as the #1 pick, he has the tools to be a very good pro, why can't we just leave it at that instead of this silly hyperbole?


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Andrew Luck was considered to be the best QB prospect since Payton Manning, yet he only faced mediocre defenses against Oregon


this is the difference between scouts who judge a players individual skill set and SEC homers. Look at the top QBs in the NFL currently the quality of defenses or more accurately the perception SEC fans have of the defenses they faced in college is completely irrelevant to their NFL success. Mahomes playing the Big XII has zero impact his ability.



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To truly appreciate Burrow’s exceptional talent and prospect in the NFL, just look back at the single season completion percentage record, TD’s, and INT’s in college of greats like John Elway, Payton Manning, and Dan Marino, all who were extremely prolific passers in the NFL.


All those guys played in different eras with different rules and different offenses. You can't look just a raw stats that way.
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Now all he needs is an OL. Afraid he is in for few tough years.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
HUGE joe fan here

Joe is too old to be considered the best QB prospect ever.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Lol, wut?


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
If you are solely grading him as a prospect vs his peers, the idea is the older you are, the less room you have for development.

He’ll be 23y 275days when the season kicks off. Will turn 24 in December. Lamar Jackson for instance is a few weeks younger than Joe & has played 2 nfl seasons already.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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but it was mostly the X's and O's that got him there.


We had great "X's and O's" but you are wrong about this...

Brett Farve made Curley Hallman look like a coaching savant.. which is one of the reasons we hired him as our head coach...



how did that work out...

Having said that... I wouldn't trade one thing about the cast that helped to put together last season for LSU football..

It was a Kismet moment...



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SammyTiger
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
I get Your point but I would say that QBs are playing longer and longer and of any position age would matter least at QB.

Ideally a guy like Joe who had his break out season as a Junior would be a better prospect.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
That’s lazy thinking. He made is biggest developmental leap just last year and most elite passers don’t come into their own until mid-20’s, anyway.

First pro bowl:
Brees: 25
Brady: 24
Rodgers: 26
Stafford: 26
Ryan: 25
Rivers: 25

There are a handful of exceptions, like Goff or Manning who did it in their early 20’s. Guys like Mahomes or Jackson don’t really compare to Burrow. Those are rare, very different athletes. But either way, your comment that he’s not a prospect is dumb because he is literally a prospect.


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Lester Earl
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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get Your point but I would say that QBs are playing longer and longer and of any position age would matter least at QB.


That’s not really the point Sammy

This is about his prospects coming out of college, and that alone.

It’s not something I’m making up. It’s not as important for QBs but a 5th year SR with 1 good season, who is almost 24 is not the best QB prospect ever


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The Ostrich
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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That’s not really the point Sammy

This is about his prospects coming out of college, and that alone.

It’s not something I’m making up. It’s not as important for QBs but a 5th year SR with 1 good season, who is almost 24 is not the best QB prospect ever


Yea but you could also go the other way with this and say him being older and more mature, having played in multiple systems, and faced adversity early in his college career before putting together the greatest single season in history makes him more attractive and ready to play then the guy who starts for three seasons and puts up good numbers. I think the expectation is that JB will have a much easier time dealing with the growing pains than a guy who hasn’t faced anywhere near the struggles he has.


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Yea but you could also go the other way with this and say him being older and more mature,


That’s not how they view prospects coming out.
Age is a detriment to development.

22yr old joe burrow would be drafted before 24yr old joe 10 out of 10.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
The idea that your age determines your development potential is a stupid argument for a player in his early 20’s. It’s more about how much you’ve played and whether your pro system is a fit. Case in point: Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Jake Delhomme, Farve, etc...

Either way, we are talking about a year or two difference in Burrow’s age vs Herbert/Tagovailoa/Hurtz/Love. Lester is acting like he’s fricking Chris Weinke.



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SammyTiger
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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This is about his prospects coming out of college, and that alone.


I think It goes to the point.

If I am Drafting a RB I care A lot about him being 24

If I’m drafting a QB I dont.

So you get your franchise QB for 14-16 years instead of 16-18? Not an issue if he’s the right guy.

There was a time when experience was valued and you could directly tract NFL Success to starts in college.
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Joe played in an NFL Offense at LSU. Brady had Joe light years ahead of the average College Sr. QB.


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Lester Earl
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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So you get your franchise QB for 14-16 years instead of 16-18? Not an issue if he’s the right guy.


You are totally missing the point

It’s not about service time it’s about development. It’s not that he can’t be a good QB. It’s that he’s already leaked into his prime development years and there isn’t as much room for growth as kids younger than him.

Again we are talking about the best QB prospect ever. This is what they split hairs about. And we aren’t even getting into his small hands.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
By your logic Andrew Luck going back for his RS JR year instead of entering the draft when he likely to go #1 or #2 should have hurt his stock yet he’s the last person they were talking about as being the greatest prospect of all time.


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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
At the 17 minute mark, this is NFL reporter Peter King telling Rich Eisen the Miami Dolphins need to trade four first-rounders for Joe Burrow.


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00 Tech Grad
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
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This is why I think it is unfair for LSU fans to assume Brennan will be able to step right in an light opposing defenses up like Burrow did this past season. Physically he is fine. But what made Burrow great were his instincts, complete understanding of the offense, quick recognition of what the defenses were doing to try to stop it and the ability to put it all together in a matter of second. "Feel" is not something you can teach. Burrow, like a great PG in basketball had an understanding of where everyone was on the field at all times


I upvoted you, but I don’t think anyone expects Brennan (or any QB in CFB for that matter) to duplicate Burrow.

He doesn’t have to. With just 50-60% of Burrow’s 2019 production, Brennan would solidify himself as the second-best QB (single season) in LSU history. I am guessing he will be good for around 35 TD passes and around 3500 yards in this offense, and I’d be thrilled with that.
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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Joe Burrow, the second day of spring practice 2019, talking smack to the LSU defense.


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