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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:19 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:19 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s just not that important a factor.
Like I said, you don’t understand what a prospect is.
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:25 pm to Lester Earl
You can talk about how important a players ceiling is all you want, but how likely they are to reach that ceiling is an equally important factor.
There is no guarantee that Lawrence will ever process football as fast as Burrow.
There is no guarantee that Lawrence will ever process football as fast as Burrow.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:29 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
You can talk about how important a players ceiling is all you want, but how likely they are to reach that ceiling is an equally important factor.
You don’t know what a prospect is
quote:
There is no guarantee that Lawrence will ever process football as fast as Burrow.
You don’t know what a prospect is.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:31 pm to SammyTiger
Sammy, what would have been more impressive to you:
Burrow doing what he did this past year as a 20yr old true sophomore
Or
Burrow doing what he did this season as a 5th year 22-23year old?
Pretty simple question. What ya got?
Burrow doing what he did this past year as a 20yr old true sophomore
Or
Burrow doing what he did this season as a 5th year 22-23year old?
Pretty simple question. What ya got?
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
You don’t know what makes a prospect good
You can have an astronomical thigh ceiling but if no one things you’ll reach it you’re not as good as a guy who maybe has a slightly lower ceiling but people feel is very likely to reach it.
Everyone would HOPE they are as good as Joe ACTUALLY was last year.
As a prospect he’s much more real.
That part of it.
You can’t take reality out of the equation. Scouts don’t.
You can have an astronomical thigh ceiling but if no one things you’ll reach it you’re not as good as a guy who maybe has a slightly lower ceiling but people feel is very likely to reach it.
Everyone would HOPE they are as good as Joe ACTUALLY was last year.
As a prospect he’s much more real.
That part of it.
You can’t take reality out of the equation. Scouts don’t.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:36 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
You don’t know what makes a prospect good
You can’t say that, because you don’t know what a prospect even is.
quote:
You can’t take reality out of the equation
Your made up hypotheticals to protect joe burrow are not reality, I can assure you.
Such as this dumb low IQ shite
You can have an astronomical thigh ceiling but if no one things you’ll reach it
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Sammy, what would have been more impressive to you:
Burrow doing what he did this past year as a 20yr old true sophomore
Or
Burrow doing what he did this season as a 5th year 22-23year old?
Pretty simple question. What ya got?
Obviously the first one, and if a sophomore throws 60 TDS in a season against the defense Joe played I would Call him a better prospect.
But younger PLUS same production is a very different argument than Younger and Significantly less production.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Your made up hypotheticals to protect joe burrow are not reality, I can assure you.
What’s made up? Joe Burrow threw 60 TDS
What’s hypothetical is that Lawrencenwill keep getting better because so far he hasn’t.
Every Prospect is reviewednon bothnpot etial and production.
Look at Hunter: clearly insane potential but he went in the third round because he had no production.
And I am Not saying Lawrence doesn’t produce but he isn’t producing at some superhuman rate.
Winston was significantly better as a RS Freshman than Lawrence was as a sophomore.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:47 pm to SammyTiger
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What’s made up? Joe Burrow threw 60 TDS
The fact that every other QB not named joe burrow has a questionable future
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:48 pm to Lester Earl
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The fact that every other QB not named joe burrow has a questionable future
Every prospect has a questionable future.
The point is there is a risk of Lawrence never being as good as Burrow was. There isn’t a risk of Burrow not being that good because he is that good.
The only argument to Draft Lawrence over Burrow is that you think he COULD eventually be better.
The argument for Joe over Lawrence is that he is actually better.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Obviously the first one, and if a sophomore throws 60 TDS in a season against the defense Joe played I would Call him a better prospect.
But younger PLUS same production is a very different argument than Younger and Significantly less production.
You wrote two sentences & mentioned age/class 3x.
I think I’ve made my point here.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:50 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Every prospect has a questionable future.
Yet you keep holding it against Lawrence
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
You wrote two sentences & mentioned age/class 3x.
I think I’ve made my point here.
If your point that age is a factor sure
But your arguing that age is a super important factor and you didn’t make that point because you had to pretend there was a sophomore out there who threw 60 TDS.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:56 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
you had to pretend there was a sophomore out there who threw 60 TDS.
The stats are irrelevant to the point
The point is to teach you what a prospect is & why age matters to development & upside
Posted on 7/2/20 at 1:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Yet you keep holding it against Lawrence
Like I said
Potential and production
Joe has more production.
So there is a less of an overall question.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:06 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Potential and production
Joe has more production.
Joe thru 2 seasons:
22-28 226yards 2 TD 0 INT
12car 58 yds 1 TD
Trevor Lawrence thru 2 seasons:
6945yds, 66td 12int
163car 740yards 10 TD
You don’t know what a prospect is. Still.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:07 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
The stats are irrelevant to the point
They are completely relevant.
If the ONLY difference is age, of course you take the younger QB.
But that’s not the case
They also care about production.
That’s why Hunter went in the third round. He was 20 when he got drafted
He had the second best DE/Edge rusher 40 at the Combine
He went 50 spots behind Preston Smith who is 2 years older and ran a much slower 40
Time.
Because he wasn’t as good a prospect.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:10 pm to Lester Earl
Just because we disagree what makes a prospect GOOD doesn’t mean I dont Know what a prospect is.
So, you don’t have to be a dick.
And again Career stats don’t always matter.
Look at SEC Careerr Passing TD leader Aaron Murray or Big Ten Career passing TD leader JT Barrett.
So, you don’t have to be a dick.
And again Career stats don’t always matter.
Look at SEC Careerr Passing TD leader Aaron Murray or Big Ten Career passing TD leader JT Barrett.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:13 pm to SammyTiger
Of course production matters.
Remember, I know what a prospect is.
You don’t.
Lawrence’s first two years don’t just blow Burrows’ out the water, they are historically near the top in NCAA history. If you want to factor production, factor it correctly.
Remember, I know what a prospect is.
You don’t.
Lawrence’s first two years don’t just blow Burrows’ out the water, they are historically near the top in NCAA history. If you want to factor production, factor it correctly.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
Again, I know What a prospect is.
You’re the idiot who thinks AGE is the deciding factor.
You’re making the assumption that a player on is great for a 20 year old is going To be great for a 25-30 year old.
And time and time again that’s not true.
And scouts take that into consideration.
I don’t think Lawrence’s Ceiling is that much higher than Joe’s and I think Joe is much more likely to reach his ceiling.
Being a The best freshmen isn’t the same as being the Best QB.
You’re the idiot who thinks AGE is the deciding factor.
You’re making the assumption that a player on is great for a 20 year old is going To be great for a 25-30 year old.
And time and time again that’s not true.
And scouts take that into consideration.
I don’t think Lawrence’s Ceiling is that much higher than Joe’s and I think Joe is much more likely to reach his ceiling.
Being a The best freshmen isn’t the same as being the Best QB.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 2:24 pm
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