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re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:53 pm to Penrod
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:53 pm to Penrod
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Burrow had a all-time great season, but it was mostly the X's and O's that got him there.
3rd and 17 was straight X's and O's
So was that magical 72 yd pass against UGA.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 9:54 pm
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:13 pm to The Ostrich
Andrew luck was younger & more important, had two great college seasons
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:49 am to FAP SAM
He said he faced mediocre defenses at Orgeron....not while at Oregon. Never eluded to he went to Oregon...
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:31 am to Lester Earl
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Andrew luck was younger & more important, had two great college seasons
Yes and the logic behind your whole argument is that because JB is a year older he is leaking into his prime but a player who put up heisman type numbers and was likely to go #1 overall yet chose to stay and put up almost identical numbers to the year before isn’t leaking into his prime?
You’re idea that age determines a players prime is so flawed. If anything the fact that the JB only had 1 great season versus Luck’s 2 great seasons would show that he is less into his prime than Luck was.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:52 am to Lester Earl
What a stupid post.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:01 pm to The Ostrich
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You’re idea that age determines a players prime is so flawed.
Arguing with science is always fun
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:20 pm to Lester Earl
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Arguing with science is always fun
Please show me the scientific evidence that says that every player hits their prime at the exact same age and somehow slipped by all NFL scouts and coaches. Would love to to read.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:31 pm to Lester Earl
Ok. Take a break Lester. You are making a fool of yourself......
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:47 pm to The Ostrich
I never said every player starts their prime at the same time. There is way too much of a sample size to pinpoint one certain age.
But we know: joe was old in terms of CFB. Joe is older for an nfl rookie.
Your argument was, as stated, was not that everyone has the same prime, it was:
You’re idea that age determines a players prime is so flawed.
Age is always the determining factor because a players’ physical skills are finite. They erode with time.
For a guy like Burrow, you don’t think that it was beneficial being the oldest player on the field last year as a 22-23yr old 5th year SR?
Why are juniors generally better players than freshmen?
Why do college pitchers throw harder than high school sophomores?
I mean this is a really basic premise of maturity.
Again this argument isn’t so much about him eating into his prime as it that there is less room for development as a 24yr old athlete.
QBs are playing into their 40’s now, so what is a year or two? The conundrum with his age is what I brought up earlier. How much of his success is because he is old for the college game? As an nfl player, it becomes how much room for development does he have as a 24yr old? A QBs prime may be a few years off, but 27-28 would look a lot different if the last 2 years would have been spent in the nfl, don’t you think?
You have to split hairs when it comes to this. You want to talk about the best prospect ever. While he might have had the best season ever, he certainly isn’t the best QB prospect ever.
But we know: joe was old in terms of CFB. Joe is older for an nfl rookie.
Your argument was, as stated, was not that everyone has the same prime, it was:
You’re idea that age determines a players prime is so flawed.
Age is always the determining factor because a players’ physical skills are finite. They erode with time.
For a guy like Burrow, you don’t think that it was beneficial being the oldest player on the field last year as a 22-23yr old 5th year SR?
Why are juniors generally better players than freshmen?
Why do college pitchers throw harder than high school sophomores?
I mean this is a really basic premise of maturity.
Again this argument isn’t so much about him eating into his prime as it that there is less room for development as a 24yr old athlete.
QBs are playing into their 40’s now, so what is a year or two? The conundrum with his age is what I brought up earlier. How much of his success is because he is old for the college game? As an nfl player, it becomes how much room for development does he have as a 24yr old? A QBs prime may be a few years off, but 27-28 would look a lot different if the last 2 years would have been spent in the nfl, don’t you think?
You have to split hairs when it comes to this. You want to talk about the best prospect ever. While he might have had the best season ever, he certainly isn’t the best QB prospect ever.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Age is always the determining factor because a players’ physical skills are finite. They erode with time.
Sure but at the same time the physical skills you need to play QB erode slower and are maybe not as important as the mental skills.
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For a guy like Burrow, you don’t think that it was beneficial being the oldest player on the field last year as a 22-23yr old 5th year SR?
I don’t Think he physically benefited as much as mentally benefited.
And you have to factor in a more mature players may need less development in the NFL.
That’s part of Joe’s appeal.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:03 pm to SammyTiger
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And you have to factor in a more mature players may need less development in the NFL.
Or they capped out as college players against a bunch of 19yr olds.
Burrow very well may be the best QB ever but it doesn’t change the fact that his prospects are surrounding by questions when compared to younger & more physically gifted college players with better resumes coming out or school.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow very well may be the best QB ever but it doesn’t change the fact that his prospects are surrounding by questions when compared to younger & more physically gifted college players with better resumes coming out or school.
Dude just had one of if not the best seasons a college player could have, and of course you have this take.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:17 pm to Lester Earl
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Burrow very well may be the best QB ever but it doesn’t change the fact that his prospects are surrounding by questions when compared to younger & more physically gifted college players with better resumes coming out or school.
Who has a better resume coming out of school?
Not many of those 21 year olds you’re talking about.
And isn’t it a concern with everyone that they’ll never be better than they were against college kids?
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:19 pm to Lester Earl
Just stfu.
Jesus, you are insufferable.
Jesus, you are insufferable.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:43 pm to Lester Earl
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Age is always the determining factor because a players’ physical skills are finite. They erode with time.
Player’s skills do erode but time isn’t the determining factor. Wear and tear on their body has much more to do with how their body holds than their age. A player who is 22 and has faced more injuries and taken more hits will not hold up as well as a player who is 24 and has never had a serious injury. The exact reason NFL teams take in to account how many touches a RB got in college.
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For a guy like Burrow, you don’t think that it was beneficial being the oldest player on the field last year as a 22-23yr old 5th year SR?
No I think his 1 year of experience as a starter helped him more than physically being a year older. The difference between him this year and him last year had nothing to do with physical development.
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Why are juniors generally better players than freshmen?
Ummm idk maybe the fact that they have 2 years of experience in college football has a lot to with it. Oh and the fact that their 18 years old fresh outta high school and have never sniffed a college weight room. At 18 years old a kid is still developing physically. At 21 with 2 years in a college weight room they’re there. They won’t be adding 30 more lbs of muscle between 21 and 22 or 23
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Why do college pitchers throw harder than high school sophomores?
because they’re 15/16 years old and have pimples on their face and just bought their first razor yesterday. Really trying to compare the physical development a 16 year old starts to go through in two years to someone who’s 22 or 23? Lol
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Again this argument isn’t so much about him eating into his prime as it that there is less room for development as a 24yr old athlete.
There isn’t much room for the physical development for a 21 year old either. It has absolutely nothing to do with physical development and everything to do with being able to handle the transition from college to the NFL mentally and adapt to the play style and speed of the game, learning/handling more advanced systems. They know what he has physically. They know what every single prospect has physically. They don’t want to physically develop they expect them to be ready that way. The development of a QB in the NFL has nothing to do with physical development.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Who has a better resume coming out of school?
Not many of those 21 year olds you’re talking about.
This year, no one.
Though Tua would have been if not for his injury.
1yr 2mo younger. Better resume'.
The other QBs in the 2020 draft were too flawed compared to Joe.
Kyler Murray in 2019 would have too.
Baker, probably not.
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And isn’t it a concern with everyone that they’ll never be better than they were against college kids?
absolutely. It is why grading a QB coming out of college is the hardest thing in sports.
It's why if you are talking the best college QB prospect of all time, Joe Burrow would not be the best. He's a very good college QB prospect but when you start splitting hairs he simply cannot be the best. It's all about mitigating risk.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Kyler Murray in 2019 would have too.
HAHAHAHA any shred of credibility you had just out the window.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:12 pm to The Ostrich
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There isn’t much room for the physical development for a 21 year old either.
Im not just talking about physical development.
Let's pretend 20yr old Trevor Lawrence was in the draft.
You say wow, Joe Burrow is really good at 23.
Trevor Lawrence might not be as good at 20, but what is he going to look like at 23?
So yea, you keep focusing on physical stuff, but go back to that other word you keep using to answer my other questions: "experience".
It's all about projection.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
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Trevor Lawrence might not be as good at 20, but what is he going to look like at 23?
Joe Burrow and him have literally the exact same amount of years as a starter.
And you can’t keep flip flopping your argument. You literally tried to use a high school pitcher and a college pitcher comparison which is straight physical. Gtfo here with that bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:21 pm to The Ostrich
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Joe Burrow and him have literally the exact same amount of years as a starter.
and one is 20
the other is 23.
wtf
Lawrence is light years ahead of where Burrow was at 20years old.
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