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re: Harbaugh - 9 years; Smart - 6 years; Dabo - 10 years
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:15 am to tigerfan88
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:15 am to tigerfan88
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Kirby had Georgia a Hail Mary away from winning the title in his second year and they were a consistent top 5 team from then on. They made the SEC title game in a win and get in scenario every year from then on.
Kirby would have never made an SEC title game in the West before 2021
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Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:16 am to LSUZombie
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I love that some pretend that Kelly inherited a team like Miles did after Saban.
There was some major talent on the roster Kelly inherited. More importantly, the program was entrenched as a top program and had the reputation as a program where any coach could win a national championship quickly.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:17 am to dstone12
quote:absolutley! But there are those that want him gone already.. plenty of them.. some even suggesting we lose the rest of our games this year so he would be fired..
he’s allowed to get criticism.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:19 am to SammyTiger
Kirby also inherited the 6th most talented roster in the country from Mark Richt. And a full 85 person roster. So he had a great starting point.
Kelly had the 8th ranked roster from a talent perspective, but had extreme depth issues with only 72 players on his 2022 roster to start the season.
Also, roster rankings don't measure the entire roster, it measure the top x number of players on the roster which LSU was talented in, the depth was it's problem.
Kelly had the 8th ranked roster from a talent perspective, but had extreme depth issues with only 72 players on his 2022 roster to start the season.
Also, roster rankings don't measure the entire roster, it measure the top x number of players on the roster which LSU was talented in, the depth was it's problem.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:20 am to Stuckinthe90s
quote:He played for an sec championship year 1 :)
1. Does he have the program at a level that can compete for championships?
For Kelly, he is definitely not there for #1, at least not yet.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:20 am to LSUZombie
The concerning thing to me is at the end of year 3 we are still lacking physicality and toughness. That is the most worrisome. It doesn't matter how high our recruiting classes are if we get bullied by inferior talented teams. This is just who Kelly is and I don't see it changing all of a sudden.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:39 am to Tubedog13
Are we being bullied by less talented teams?
I don’t think so.
I don’t think so.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:45 am to idlewatcher
If there is one thing a head coach cannot be, it’s lazy. Heard it from multiple posters on this board.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:46 am to WDAIII
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It's a different world now. You can literally buy an entire team now and transform virtually overnight. Look at Vandy and Miami
Sure, if you want a flash in the pan type season.
Remains to be seen if the portal method of team building is sustainable long-term.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:03 pm to SammyTiger
News flash bigger and stronger teams tend to bully less talented teams. Alabama has a roster that can compete for a championship against the likes of OSU, OU, and UGA. We do not. When we go up against teams with equal or lesser talent our physicality is fine.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:05 pm to dstone12
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When were they contenders?
Harbaugh - 4 years until he finished above third in his own division, 7 before he finished in the top 5.
Smart - 2 years, he took over a very good team, though.
Dabo - 4 years until he was realistically talked about it at the end of the season.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:55 pm to LSUZombie
SABAN, Miles, and Orgeron won NC in less time. They actually had defensive players and schemes, minus O's last two seasons
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:18 pm to Stuckinthe90s
I would not say that Les was a great recruiter. Most of the players he recruited were coming to LSU regardless of who the coach was. He missed out on a lot of players bc we was stubborn to see how they would play ( wanted Dak to play TE instead of QB).
His biggest miss in recruiting was getting D line and O line to compete with Bama. Sure he had top 5 and top 10 recruiting classes. He filled those with skill position players instead of position of need players.
The O line and D line would get manhandled by other teams toward the last years of Les regime.
His biggest miss in recruiting was getting D line and O line to compete with Bama. Sure he had top 5 and top 10 recruiting classes. He filled those with skill position players instead of position of need players.
The O line and D line would get manhandled by other teams toward the last years of Les regime.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:22 pm to Tammany Tom
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The year they start winning at a consistently high level is when they had their programs built. For Kirby, that was year 2, for Dabo that was year 5, for Harbaugh that was year 7.
Because that’s all anyone cares about. Our fans are very spoiled. That’s how most of you are guys are right now.
If we’re playing this game, would you say UGA was “competitive for a championship” in 2018, 2019, or 2020? I say definitely not based on the current expectations of LSU fans.
Brian Kelly’s not doing much worse if any worse at all compared to 2018-2020 UGA. UGA had multiple losses and got spanked embarrassingly by LSU in both 2018 and 2019.
Good times are ahead.
This post was edited on 11/15/24 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:26 pm to Tubedog13
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The concerning thing to me is at the end of year 3 we are still lacking physicality and toughness. That is the most worrisome. It doesn't matter how high our recruiting classes are if we get bullied by inferior talented teams. This is just who Kelly is and I don't see it changing all of a sudden.
This bothers me too. Our defensive backfield looks small and weak. They get pushed around and play different than years past. Nobody is scared of our DBs.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:37 pm to LSUZombie
People fail to realize he inherited a depleted roster. He's been trying to fill gaps the last three years. The QB and lack of run blocking is a huge issue. The defense lacks depth and a below average safeties. The team is a decent QB from being a 1 loss team. Those critical of him should look at Florida St.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:38 pm to SammyTiger
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Are we being bullied by less talented teams?
On paper, our OL should've been better than USCw, A&M, or Bama's D-line. And we struggled to run the ball, so in those match-ups I would say yes.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 1:41 pm to AlwysATgr
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On paper, our OL should've been better than USCw, A&M, or Bama's D-line. And we struggled to run the ball, so in those match-ups I would say yes.
I can maybe agree with USCw, although they do have a pretty talented dline.
The other two are nuts though.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 2:09 pm to LSUbasketballfan
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program was entrenched as a top program
Kelly came in following a 5-5 year and a 6-7 year. That's not really entrenched at the top.
Especially if you consider from 2014-2017 we didn't win more than 9 games any of those years. So the preceding 6/8 years prior to Kelly's arrival we didn't win more than 9 games.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 2:15 pm to LSUbasketballfan
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There was some major talent on the roster Kelly inherited.
Was there?
That inherited roster produced 8 NFL draft picks over the next 2 years. In the three years prior, LSU averaged 10 NFL draft picks per year.
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More importantly, the program was entrenched as a top program
The program was <.500 the previous two years.
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and had the reputation as a program where any coach could win a national championship quickly
The average tenure of championship teams’ head coaches in the CFP era is 7.4 years. So I suppose it depends how you define “quickly.”
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