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re: Advocate: No meeting with Dixon; Jones interview went well; No Amaker
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:49 am to ForeLSU
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:49 am to ForeLSU
Notice that i have not posted anything on here before now about this. My take on the whole situation is that we will either hire Jamie dixon or Josh Pastner. I believe Pastner wants the job very badly. I believe Dixon is our primary target. Often athletic directors meet with agents because if a coach is interested he will ask his agent to meet with the A.D. for the school to discuss terms, contract etc..Jamie Dixon does not need to interview for this job. His resume speaks for itself. You guys are putting way too much emphasis on the whole "interview" thing. the interview is a formality. Thats why JJ was interviewed. I believe he was interviewed to make it look like he is a viable candidate. I also believe you have to have a fall back guy in case your first and second options fall through. So JJ is our fall back guy right now.
I dont think it will go further than Pastner if it does not work out w/Dixon. Again - the agent is the one that is usually who the A.D. often meets with. Its possible Alleva met with Reggie Theus' agent to appease Martin.
Alleva will not screw this up. He will get us a good coach. I hate to bring race into it but he has to satisfy the african american community by saying he spoke to both JJ and Amaker about the job. He has satisfied that requirement so that no one can come back and say he never considered an african american coach.
Trust the man - Nicki Caldwell looks like she was a great hire. He got Patrick Murphy from Bama to agree to take the softball job before Murphy pulled a benedict arnold on us. Trent is a good basketball coach. He knows the game inside and out. he has a lot of passion and he wanted to stay here and finish out his career. I spoke to someone at length about this during the season. trent does not like dealing with AAU coaches and ultimately his unwillingness to "play the game" led to his undoing.
We will get a solid coach. If for some reason everyone on our wish list turns us down and we do have to fall back to JJ there will be a demand to bring in an x and o guy to run things from the bench. No way he will just give JJ the job without mandating that he hire a solid x and o guy who can coach in game. that is johnny's weakness. JJ has a great personality and he loves LSU. JJ could get us the players we have been losing for so long. then you bring in a guy like bob starkey who can teach and coach the daylights out and you have a recipe for success. It will work out. Have faith !!
I dont think it will go further than Pastner if it does not work out w/Dixon. Again - the agent is the one that is usually who the A.D. often meets with. Its possible Alleva met with Reggie Theus' agent to appease Martin.
Alleva will not screw this up. He will get us a good coach. I hate to bring race into it but he has to satisfy the african american community by saying he spoke to both JJ and Amaker about the job. He has satisfied that requirement so that no one can come back and say he never considered an african american coach.
Trust the man - Nicki Caldwell looks like she was a great hire. He got Patrick Murphy from Bama to agree to take the softball job before Murphy pulled a benedict arnold on us. Trent is a good basketball coach. He knows the game inside and out. he has a lot of passion and he wanted to stay here and finish out his career. I spoke to someone at length about this during the season. trent does not like dealing with AAU coaches and ultimately his unwillingness to "play the game" led to his undoing.
We will get a solid coach. If for some reason everyone on our wish list turns us down and we do have to fall back to JJ there will be a demand to bring in an x and o guy to run things from the bench. No way he will just give JJ the job without mandating that he hire a solid x and o guy who can coach in game. that is johnny's weakness. JJ has a great personality and he loves LSU. JJ could get us the players we have been losing for so long. then you bring in a guy like bob starkey who can teach and coach the daylights out and you have a recipe for success. It will work out. Have faith !!
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 10:10 pm
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:52 am to richmond tiger
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Alleva will not screw this up.
I hope not. People are guarded IMO.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:54 am to richmond tiger
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I hate to bring race into it but he has to satisfy the african american community by saying he spoke to both JJ and Amaker about the job. He has satisfied that requirement so that no one can come back and say he never considered an african american coach.
Um, he was satisfying Dale Brown CT2 and the LSU BOS.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:54 am to NoGeaux
"The anti-Johnny Jones sentiment has gone a bit too far.
LSU basketball needs many things, first among them is talent. TJ love him, hate him or somewhere in between left town with a roster without sufficient talent to get to the NCAA's.
Recruiting is the #1 priority, this years class is in trouble. The singing period started yesterday and many (not all) but many have already signed.
In some ways Recruiting is about working hard. No that does not mean that if Jones or anyone on our short or long list of coaches hit the McDonald's list harder than Coack K or Calipari that all of the sudden LSU would be the garden spot for 5 stars. However working hard, looking all over the planet, beating bushes etc can and will get the best talent possible on our roster.
Johnny is pratically begging for the gig. He is a Tiger. Loves LSU. No one will work harder than he will. If he gets the job he will know that there is less than 100% support for him from the fanbase, and knows he will be on a short leash.
Passion for LSU, it being his dream job, the "want" to succeed as his alma mater, and pressure to win and win soon is sufficient in my eyes to believe that Jones will work hard and be aggressive on the recruiting trail.
I am not suggesting stopping the search and handing him the job, but the vitriol and pessimism toward Johnny is overblown.
If he is the choice he will bust his arse for LSU and I think he will succeed."
Can I get an AMEN................
These fuking idiots are just looking for a reason to not support BasketBall. You would think they have a vested interest and are proud owners of season tickets for years,instead of Bandwagon Internet Crybaby Chicken Littles.
Ive had 4 tix since the building opened I hope its Jones and I think he can get the job the done,the crybabys can stay home as they would have anyway............
LSU basketball needs many things, first among them is talent. TJ love him, hate him or somewhere in between left town with a roster without sufficient talent to get to the NCAA's.
Recruiting is the #1 priority, this years class is in trouble. The singing period started yesterday and many (not all) but many have already signed.
In some ways Recruiting is about working hard. No that does not mean that if Jones or anyone on our short or long list of coaches hit the McDonald's list harder than Coack K or Calipari that all of the sudden LSU would be the garden spot for 5 stars. However working hard, looking all over the planet, beating bushes etc can and will get the best talent possible on our roster.
Johnny is pratically begging for the gig. He is a Tiger. Loves LSU. No one will work harder than he will. If he gets the job he will know that there is less than 100% support for him from the fanbase, and knows he will be on a short leash.
Passion for LSU, it being his dream job, the "want" to succeed as his alma mater, and pressure to win and win soon is sufficient in my eyes to believe that Jones will work hard and be aggressive on the recruiting trail.
I am not suggesting stopping the search and handing him the job, but the vitriol and pessimism toward Johnny is overblown.
If he is the choice he will bust his arse for LSU and I think he will succeed."
Can I get an AMEN................
These fuking idiots are just looking for a reason to not support BasketBall. You would think they have a vested interest and are proud owners of season tickets for years,instead of Bandwagon Internet Crybaby Chicken Littles.
Ive had 4 tix since the building opened I hope its Jones and I think he can get the job the done,the crybabys can stay home as they would have anyway............
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:54 am to ForeLSU
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in general, how have those worked out...Lebo, Heath, Pelphrey, Gottfried...
I'll raise you a:
Donovan (Marshall)
Pearl (UW-Milwaukee)
Matta (Xavier)
Calhoun (Northeastern)
Ryan (UW-Milwaukee)
It's not a 100% success rate, but clearly it's not out of the ordinary for a mid-major coach to have great success at a major program
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:54 am to richmond tiger
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Ricky Blanton
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:59 am to redfish99
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,instead of Bandwagon Internet Crybaby Chicken Littles.
it does seem to be many of the chronic bitchers shouting the loudest...
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:00 am to ForeLSU
Heath and Gottfried were not that bad.
Heath should have never been fired by Arkansas IMO. He may have not matched what Nolan Richardson did, but he still brought his teams to the tournament. and still recruited at a decent level. They have been worse since he left there.
Gottfried is for the most part a decent recruiter, he just brought in guys at Bama with some shitty character in his last few years there. As you can see in NCSU's recruiting class, he is still capable of recruiting.
Heath should have never been fired by Arkansas IMO. He may have not matched what Nolan Richardson did, but he still brought his teams to the tournament. and still recruited at a decent level. They have been worse since he left there.
Gottfried is for the most part a decent recruiter, he just brought in guys at Bama with some shitty character in his last few years there. As you can see in NCSU's recruiting class, he is still capable of recruiting.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:03 am to c on z
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NCSU's recruiting class, he is still capable of recruiting.
3 McDonald's all Americans
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:06 am to c on z
it gonna be JJ. no one high flyer wants this job. its not a basketball school, its not a hotbed state for basketball talent, you don't have the support of influential people (brown, ct2, shaq, etc.)
its gonna be JJ.
its gonna be JJ.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:08 am to Larry Hollins
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its gonna be JJ.
You really just like typing out "JJ".
I don't think it's going to be jones.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:10 am to redfish99
After Dale Brown gave up/messed up during his last 4 years, and having John Brady whom most fans didn't like, then the Trent debacle, that's about 19 years of bad basketball except for a couple of seasons. That's 19 years of fans not being happy with the direction of the LSU basketball program.
I don't dislike Johnny Jones, I just think having him as the head coach will be more of the same.
I don't dislike Johnny Jones, I just think having him as the head coach will be more of the same.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:12 am to c on z
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Heath should have never been fired by Arkansas IMO. He may have not matched what Nolan Richardson did, but he still brought his teams to the tournament. and still recruited at a decent level. They have been worse since he left there.
31-49 record in SEC play. Never won an NCAA tournament game. His performance at Arkansas wasn't any more impressive than TJ's stint at LSU.
This post was edited on 4/12/12 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:14 am to c on z
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They have been worse since he left there.
It will be interesting to see what Anderson can do, Pelphrey certainly looked like he was a rising star when he got there.
I haven't really followed Gottfried at NCState, but he certainly should do better in a better basketball culture.
My original comment was more about the "hot mid-major" coach who makes 1 run in the tournament and fans are ready to hire him. Many of the mid-major to big school successes are lineage coaches or guys like Calhoun who had a long track record at Northeastern. Certainly that isn't always the case.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:20 am to Skillet
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That's 19 years of fans not being happy with the direction of the LSU basketball program.
I don't dislike Johnny Jones, I just think having him as the head coach will be more of the same.
Don't you think this goes a little deeper than who the coach is though?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:31 am to ForeLSU
I believe that the end part of the Dale Brown era, coupled with Brady being a complete arse just alienated so much of the fan base.
On the surface I thought the TJ hire was a good one. But, for whatever reason he simply couldn't get the type of talent to come to LSU that it needs.
First and foremost the next coach needs to be able to recuit.
Win games and not be a complete dick, will get the fanbase back.
Based on the hires that Alleva has made to this point, I don't think Jones will be the coach unless some other bigger names turn him down. But, I don't think you will hear much regardless until we hire someone.
On the surface I thought the TJ hire was a good one. But, for whatever reason he simply couldn't get the type of talent to come to LSU that it needs.
First and foremost the next coach needs to be able to recuit.
Win games and not be a complete dick, will get the fanbase back.
Based on the hires that Alleva has made to this point, I don't think Jones will be the coach unless some other bigger names turn him down. But, I don't think you will hear much regardless until we hire someone.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:33 am to Larry Hollins
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its gonna be JJ.
How can we know who it will be without 1st knowing how much we are willing to pay?
I can't see any "home run" coming here unless we really open up the check book.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:39 am to Lonnie4LSU
The worst thing about going with Jones is that you might as well write off the upcoming season. No decent recruit is gonna blindly jump on board for him. They would only do that for a proven guy.
Not saying he wont recruit great down the road, but it would take a little more time that it would for say, Dixon.
Not saying he wont recruit great down the road, but it would take a little more time that it would for say, Dixon.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:42 am to Mickey Goldmill
Whats the latest Mick?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 9:42 am to Lonnie4LSU
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“How long do you keep him out there? When does he get his shot?” former LSU star Rudy Macklin said. “Talking to people around the community and following it on social media, people get caught up in the big-name coach. They want a big-name coach. Well, the big-name coach was a small-name coach at one time — like Johnny. They got a break. They got a break from somebody. How do you get that break?”
I am disappointed Rudy Macklin and the Temple gang are pushing so hard for a "small name" coach like Johnny. He had his break at North Texas.
Has he he done enough with that break to merit the LSU job?
Does a school of LSU's national stature have to settle for a coach who needs a break?
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