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re: Quick, healthy snack ideas that aren’t nuts, raw veggies, or fruit?

Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:49 pm to
Yup. I’ve had to change. Went for physical last month. All I will say is blood sugar was real bad. Very bad. Suicdal bad. Been keepin it around 100 ever since and can tell a difference.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:49 pm to
I had a CT Tues and then blood work immediately afterward. On a 12 he fast by blood sugar was 99. That is way high for me. Normally in 70s fasting.

I freaked a little (all other numbers were great). Then I read the contrast dye (even though no PET, which IS sugar and radioisotopes) spikes blood sugar levels. Nuts.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:50 pm to
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Is beef jerky healthy?

Its dried meat with spices. Its one of the best snack you can eat
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:15 pm to
Duke's (Hatch is fave flavor) links are awesome. Very low carb (compared to other jerky-type products) and free of crap.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:30 pm to
What's crazy about Wally World though is most actually have a collection of decent products. The one in Decatur, GA has freaking macadamia milk (unsweetened, organic etc). Supposedly cage free organic eggs, grass-fed beef and butter, uncured meats, choice Ribeyes, Duke's links, la Croix, organic spinach, etc.

I get their grain-free salmon/pea dog food and it's across from Sprouts and upcoming WF 365, so it's an easy run and so cheap for those items.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:49 am to
Yeah saying oatmeal is unhealthy is crazy talk.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:24 am to
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Yeah saying oatmeal is unhealthy is crazy talk


That's your takeaway from all this?

A physically fit athlete in training eating some non-instant oats before an intense training session, without any other carby stuff to raise insulin levels, and burning off the carbs quickly isn't unhealthy.

But for an overweight, carb addicted person not doing that sort of strenuous activity they certainly are, from a metabolic standpoint. Because they aren't furthering weight loss (could be eating something that is) and ultimately is glycogen stores that aren't being depleted in a way the training athlete depletes them.

And the "heart-healthy fiber" mantra is a myth.
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:17 am to
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Because they aren't furthering weight loss (could be eating something that is)


What do you mean by this? If they're eating in caloric deficit then, by nature, they'll lose weight.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:38 pm to
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What do you mean by this? If they're eating in caloric deficit then, by nature, they'll lose weight.



Did anyone even read the OP? He stated he is trying to lose weight and has cravings. Putting aside the "thermogenics" and pure-CICO debate, what I meant was he could be eating much more sating snacks than oatmeal, avoid the cycle of carb cravings, and therefore ingest fewer calories without being hungry, if he swapped oatmeal out for fat.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 2:25 pm to
I did read the op but this topic has slid around a lot, so I wasn't sure if you were still saying this in light of the OPs issue with eating carbs, or just in general.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 3:08 pm to
It applies to everyone--but particularly to people who are having cravings and trying to lose weight.

The point that you asked about was that, in the context of the OP, food choices are sort of a zero-sum game. You have to look at a food choice in relation to what you might be eating instead (that is more fitting for your goals and issues).

Eating a food that has 23g+ net carbs per serving and very little fat just isn't a weight loss food.

My point was: replace it with something that helps get OP out of the carb-crave cycle.

Another potential issue with oatmeal is it's pretty boring alone, so most people add milk (lactose=sugar), fruit (fructose=sugar) and/or nuts (more carbs and omega 6 FA), and either sugar or crappy sweeteners.

ultimately, i suppose that if one isn't convinced that high-carb food is bad for him, then none of this will ring true.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 3:24 pm to
I usually add raisins and at times, butter.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:00 pm to
I will say it again like I have a million times, insulin sensitivity, insulin spikes, keto diet, etc have very little effect on fat loss in the long run. Very little and I mean very little thermogenic advantage to keto or if or carb backloading etc. Calories in are what matter.

Now McLemore you have done a very good job of talking about how somebody like the OP could benefit from a keto diet due to curbed cravings. And this is where keto can shine.

But insulin spikes do not slow fat loss at all so long as calories are the same.

And don't take it as being anti keto, I started Vince gironda's steak and eggs diet today. I love keto for me but it's not for everyone and calories then protein are what matter most.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:37 pm to
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raisins


Raisins and dates are super high GI/GL. Better off w berries or at least apples.

Eta: genius downvoters, do you care to rebut or just blindly hit the down arrow? Raisins' GL is higher (28) than Coke (16--not sure I get this...has to be a weird serving size anomaly).

But I do get this: An apple's GL is only 5 and strawberries is 1.

1.5 oz of raisins (small snack box) has 25g of SUGAR (34 g total carb and almost no fiber--hence the high GL).
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:49 pm to
I agree with the thermogenic part. But there is more to it than just CICO.

Volek and Phinney are of course top-tier scientists in this arena. Their Virta blog does a good job of making all of this accessible without dumbing it down.

Here's a recent post on low carb and weight loss
Keto and Weight Loss

Excerpt:
quote:

In almost every human study of overweight patients lasting 3 months or longer comparing a ketogenic diet to a low fat diet in an outpatient (aka ‘real world’) setting, the weight loss with the low carb diet is somewhat or significantly greater (Sachner-Bernstein 2015).  And despite claims by skeptics that “most of that weight loss is water,” in fact most of the weight lost on a well-formulated ketogenic diet lasting a few weeks or longer comes from body fat.  Add to this the common anecdotes of individuals who “went low carb” and lost a lot of weight seemingly effortlessly, and one could start believing that there is something about ketones or nutritional ketosis that mandates body fat loss.

Some scientists and journalists have concluded from this body of evidence that there exists a ‘metabolic advantage’ associated with ketogenic diets. In other words some believe that ketogenic diets cause a greater expenditure of energy (aka, calories) than non-ketogenic diets leading to the claim that ‘a calorie is not a calorie’ (Feinman 2003, Taubes 2007).  
 However this flies in the face of a standard tenant [sic--it's "tenet"] of nutrition and dietetics that in order to lose weight, we always have to eat fewer calories than we burn – i.e., ‘a calorie IS a calorie.’

Unfortunately this reduces the debate to a very simplistic level.  Why?  Because we know that hunger, appetite, energy expenditure (i.e., metabolic rate), and even our propensity to be active are highly regulated by an increasing list of hormones and signaling molecules, not to mention our genetic inheritance (Bouchard 1994).  Moreover these various factors interact with each other – for example: exercise stimulates hunger, calorie restriction increases hunger and decreases spontaneous activity (Keys 1950), calorie restriction reduces metabolic rate, and exercise plus calorie restriction markedly reduces metabolic rate.  (Phinney 1988)

And now add to this the ketosis piece that makes solving this puzzle even more complex.  Is a calorie still a calorie if cutting carbohydrate to the point of inducing nutritional ketosis reduces appetite, allowing the same level of satiety with a reduced energy intake? (Boden 2005)  Does the keto-adapted individual feel the same need to reduce spontaneous physical activity while losing weight?  What might a barely measurable increase in energy expenditure in a short-term study translate to over a longer duration?  Theoretically, just a one hundred Calorie per day deficit translates to 10 pounds of body fat lost over a year.




This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:55 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:21 pm to
Did you really just link something that used Taubes as a source? Do yourself a favor and don't do that. Taubes is an idiot. And yes weight loss is not the goal, fat loss is and any significant weight loss difference when comparing keto can isocaloric is from water weight.

And there are no human studies showing a significant difference. They claim there are those studies yet they are no where to be found and I'm not the first to point this u out. Hell Lyle McDonald who wore one of the best books ever written on keto even points this out. Besides a study on fasting type calories from the fifties there have better been any studies proving there is anything more to weight loss than cico. Hell the damn Twinkie diet experiment pretty much proves this.

Now no doubt they have a point towards the end of the article about keto curbing appetite etc. But at the same time I could say is a diet that is so restrictive that close to 80% that attempt it fail, isn't a very good option either.

I personally prefer high fat low carb but there are no studies dinner in the last 30 years to show fat loss to be greater when practicing a keto diet verse a isocaloric diet when calories are constant.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:23 pm to
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Did you really just link something that used Taubes as a source? 


Did you read what I posted? Yes, it was Phinney and Volek citing Taubes as being WRONG. Read. Then reply. Pro tip.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:55 am to
I read it but as soon as I saw Taubes, I was like wtf haha. My bad.
Posted by ElephantGA
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 1:23 pm to
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't playing coy, but massive carb bombs just aren't good for you


Haven't read through entire thread. He does have a point on carb loading (bombing as he says). Totally don't agree they are not good for you. Will say depending on what you want you only really need to carb load like 2 times a week (again, if you want to bulk or be lean, will determine what you should do). Too many carbs and they won't be stored as energy but fat - again depending if you want to go leaner or bulk up.

But, look at what Arnold did
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During his earlier days, Arnold would eat an entire chicken and drink a pitcher of beer after a workout. Turns
that's a lot of carbs in a pitcher of beer. Then again dude was working out like a damn beast so it suited him. Arnold and other great athletes/bodybuilders meals

ETA- My GF and I were wondering what else is a good snack other than what we already have like fruit, veggies, etc. We did try turkey muffins. But thought it was too blah. Like others have said jerky, but high sodium.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:17 pm to
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I started Vince gironda's steak and eggs diet today


Oh shite, did lsu777 just start a zero-carb diet!?!
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