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Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Your position is there are no objective truths regarding the human diet? Interesting.
No my position is I think you are an a-hole that's as bad as the vegans or Peta vegetarians because you think you're way is the ONLY way and if we don't perscribe to exactly to what uky do we're dumbasses.
FWIW, I think low carb is the most effective way to diet, but I also don't think having a bowl of oatmeal is the end of the world.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:OK. The OP asked for ideas. I gave ideas. Another poster listed "oatmeal" and then asked themselves "why is this a bad idea"...so I answered. It's my opinion. Sounds like you don't want an open dialogue, you just want a particular answer that YOU favor to be deferred to.
No my position is I think you are an a-hole that's as bad as the vegans or Peta vegetarians because you think you're way is the ONLY way and if we don't perscribe to exactly to what uky do we're dumbasses.
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but I also don't think having a bowl of oatmeal is the end of the world.
Nor I. Perhaps we can have a snack of frosted strawmen to top things off?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't playing coy, but massive carb bombs just aren't good for you. Not only don't they do the OPs job of satiating between-meal hunger effectively, but they lead to metabolic shite-storms. (hyper-insulinimia/insulin resistance,etc.)
But oatmeal isn't a "carb bomb". It's high in fiber, selenium, magnesium, iron. It regulates glucose levels, aides in digestive health, and is good for the heart.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:15 pm to SabiDojo
I think it’s great. I like steel cut with some coffee every morning.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:22 pm to Paul Allen
Same. Steel cut oats, eggs, and coffee are my go-to.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:03 pm to SabiDojo
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But oatmeal isn't a "carb bomb".
Yes it is.
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It's high in fiber,
Unclear that that is a positive.
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selenium, magnesium, iron.
Yes, it comes with some micronutrition...that can be eaten in healthier foods. Also, for things like magnesium, it's unclear how much you need in a low-carb environment.
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It regulates glucose levels
Don't know what this means.
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aides in digestive health
Unlikely.
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good for the heart.
Almost certainly untrue.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
Actually steel cut is ok
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:29 pm to prplhze2000
quote:It's true they are less bad than rolled.
Actually steel cut is ok
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:46 am to Big Scrub TX
Yerp.
Steel cut oats, just like any non-instant oats, have a GI of around 55. 23g net carb per cup. (Instant have way higher GI/GL.)
There's nothing really special about steel cut v other non-instant.
The GL of oats isn't terrible, but if you're trying to lose weight, high carb foods obviously aren't the way.
Steel cut oats, just like any non-instant oats, have a GI of around 55. 23g net carb per cup. (Instant have way higher GI/GL.)
There's nothing really special about steel cut v other non-instant.
The GL of oats isn't terrible, but if you're trying to lose weight, high carb foods obviously aren't the way.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:03 am to Big Scrub TX
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Not only don't they do the OPs job of satiating between-meal hunger effectively, but they lead to metabolic shite-storms. (hyper-insulinimia/insulin resistance,etc.)
Just stop.
For the average american that sits on the couch and gorges on refined simple sugars I could give that some credit.
For the average person in this thread who runs/lifts/active and wants a snack oatmeal is not a bad choice at all.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:07 am to StringedInstruments
Look up the protein chef on YouTube. He does tons of meals and snacks and breaks down the nutritional facts on each item. If you can get past his weird voice it’s pretty helpful.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:44 am to Adam4848
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For the average person in this thread who runs/lifts/active and wants a snack oatmeal is not a bad choice at all.
I'm not sure who is the brick wall and who is the one talking to it, but the OP said he was "failing hard in the weight loss department" or something to that effect. He also stated/suggested that he was having carb cravings (true food cravings are mostly carb cravings).
So the "carbs needed to fuel strenuous activity" (as dubious as that proposition is for the vast majority of even active people) seems completely moot here.
This isn't all that esoteric if difficult to understand. Fat has more than 2x the calories per gram than carbs/protein. Fat doesn't cause insulin spikes the way carbs (and even protein) do, especially in insulin resistant people (and people who are overweight and craving carbs are usually either in that category or heading toward it).
I'm trying to stay focused on the original issue: weight loss and the attendant curbing of carb cravings.
In that context, no, oatmeal and other high-carb foods are not the ideal snack. Yes, non-instant oats are better than drinking fruit juice or Coke or eating a Snickers. But that wasn't the OP's question.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:48 am to McLemore
I'm just trolling a bit. Threads about nutrition always wind up in this debate.
I've learned that I prefer a higher fat diet. I find myself more satiated, and I seem to just feel/operate better with a higher fat diet. I am not keto-level carbs or fats, but I definitely do not shy away from fat. Since ultimately fat loss is fairly equivalent between high fat and high carb diets if calories and protein are equated, it ultimately comes down to preference, purely from a "fat loss" perspective.
If carbs trigger the OP, then I agree he may want to abstain from carby/sugary snacks for a while to see if that helps push things along and stops him from binge eating.
I've learned that I prefer a higher fat diet. I find myself more satiated, and I seem to just feel/operate better with a higher fat diet. I am not keto-level carbs or fats, but I definitely do not shy away from fat. Since ultimately fat loss is fairly equivalent between high fat and high carb diets if calories and protein are equated, it ultimately comes down to preference, purely from a "fat loss" perspective.
If carbs trigger the OP, then I agree he may want to abstain from carby/sugary snacks for a while to see if that helps push things along and stops him from binge eating.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:50 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:55 am to Hulkklogan
Yeah and I actually love a lot of carby stuff, for the taste and texture and I do participate in activities where I can burn those suckers off fast. I totally avoid sports drinks, sugar (and artificially) sweetened sodas etc. My default position is low carb, high fat. I don't keep high carb stuff at my house.
But when out or at friends' houses, traveling, skiing etc, I often indulge (but even still lean toward low-carb options).
It's just so simple, and it works. My weight, BF%, blood work all bear it out.
But when out or at friends' houses, traveling, skiing etc, I often indulge (but even still lean toward low-carb options).
It's just so simple, and it works. My weight, BF%, blood work all bear it out.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:30 am to McLemore
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In that context, no, oatmeal and other high-carb foods are not the ideal snack. Yes, non-instant oats are better than drinking fruit juice or Coke or eating a Snickers. But that wasn't the OP's question.
Correct, I was not addressing the OP however.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:36 am to Adam4848
quote:For the purposes of satiating inter-meal hunger? I disagree.
For the average person in this thread who runs/lifts/active and wants a snack oatmeal is not a bad choice at all.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:39 am to McLemore
BigScrub said oatmeal is "unhealthy", which is completely false. That's what we were responding to.
Does it mean to eat it for every meal? Of course not, but it is a healthy food and in the right portions can help you achieve weight loss goals.
There are plenty of guys who croak before their 50th birthday and leave behind a beautiful corpse.
Does it mean to eat it for every meal? Of course not, but it is a healthy food and in the right portions can help you achieve weight loss goals.
There are plenty of guys who croak before their 50th birthday and leave behind a beautiful corpse.
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