McLemore

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uptalk and vocal fry

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Related to uptalk, the “lists.” I’m not even sure how to describe this further. These absurd itemizations, each accentuated by an uptalk.

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One of the elements is that every sentence sounds like a question.

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Yes. The list is a series of “questions.”

I fortunately have 99% insulated myself from this. My wife doesn’t speak this way. I have boys who definitely do not.

The younger women (mid 20s) in our church community group don’t either.

Oh my. I won a big case with her last year. Have her now in another.

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that, I did discover this past week that the state is loaded with pre-2000 automobiles, many on the road

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Yep. And a significant number of them are parked on MY road in Missoula. One neighbor runs a fishing guide and river shuttle service and collects old minivans for it. There’s an Opel GT (late 60s/early70s) that has been parked around the corner for at least two decades. A gorgeous mid-90s SuperDuty (F350 dually 7.3l power stroke) on the other side of me.
I know someone with an ancient Subaru with a wooden door. Lots of mint-looking VW buses etc etc.

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Backing up a trailer. I avoid it like the plague.

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Hold the bottom of the wheel and turn it the direction you want the trailer to go.

And “snake” it a lot. Avoid sudden moves.

And pray.

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If you are in the camp that believes there should be no regulations on what type of weapon or who can possess such weapons, then you are fine with a 3 year old owning a gun. If you are not fine with a 3 year old owning a gun, then you support federal oversight and restrictions on gun ownership. I use this example to point out that the OP is correct - the 2A should be reasonably regulated by the federal government.

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You really thought you were onto something there, didn’t you?

“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people…”
— 1 Timothy 2:1

I will concede the intercession v mediator distinction. Do you concede it re: the “priesthood”? Anyway, that’s mission creep into another heresy.

That verse in 1 Timothy proves Christians should intercede to God for other living people. Still has nothing to do with dead people. Man is appointed once to die, then the judgment. Then the taking prayer requests from those on earth. Cool stuff.

Paul is writing to Timothy and the church, instructing living believers to pray to God.

And back to the full context—

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
— 1 Timothy 2:5

Paul says believers should pray for all people because God is Savior and Christ is the one mediator. He does not say, “Ask departed saints to intercede.” It says the church should pray.

Intercession is commanded. Praying to departed saints (dead people—how do you actually even know where they were. Many will say Lord! Lord!) is not. The fact that Romanists don’t see this distinction is disturbing.

“…the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”
— Revelation 5:8

The text says the elders have bowls representing the prayers of the saints. It does not say believers on earth prayed to the elders. It does not say the elders heard prayer requests addressed to them. It does not command the church to invoke them.

Also, in Revelation, symbolic imagery is everywhere: harps, bowls, incense, beasts, horns, eyes, scrolls, seals. You cannot simply turn an apocalyptic symbol into a devotional practice unless the text itself authorizes it.

Of course Romanists ignore symbolism selectively. Sheep from goats? Symbol. Eating human flesh and eating human blood: LITERAL!!

Even if the elders are aware of the prayers, awareness does not equal permission to address them. God may reveal prayers to heavenly beings. That does not mean Christians may pray to heavenly beings.

Angels know and do things in Scripture. That does not authorize praying to angels. (Honest question, does the current version of Romanism authorize prayer to angels? If not then why not?)

Revelation 5:8 shows heavenly presentation of prayers before God. It does not show earthly Christians invoking departed saints. (Brings up another heresy: canonization.)

“They cried out with a loud voice, ‘O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood…?’”
— Revelation 6:10

This is the opposite of the Romanist heresy in issue. The martyrs cry out to God, not to other saints. They are not being prayed to. They are themselves praying to the Lord.

Also, their prayer is not a general intercession for Christians on earth. It is a cry for divine justice concerning their own martyrdom:

“How long before you will judge and avenge our blood…?”

That is not the same as “St. Peter, protect me,” or “Mary, pray for us sinners.” The text does not show anyone on earth asking them anything.

And Revelation 8:1–5 again shows prayers ascending to God. It does not establish invocation of departed believers.

Departed saints may pray to God. That does not mean we may pray to departed saints or ask them to pray for us. (Just saying that “aloud” makes me cringe.)

Then one of the elders addressed me…”
— Revelation 7:13

John was receiving a prophetic vision by divine revelation. That is not ordinary Christian prayer. John did not initiate devotional contact with the dead. He was caught up in a God-given apocalyptic vision.

This is the same basic category as Moses and Elijah appearing at the Transfiguration. Their appearance does not authorize Christians to pray to Moses or Elijah or ask them to pray for us.

There is a massive difference between:

A. God sovereignly allowing a prophet to see and hear heavenly beings in a vision; and
B. Christians deliberately addressing departed saints in prayer.

Scripture contains examples of God sending angels or allowing visions. It also contains warnings against seeking contact with the dead. The fact that God may initiate heavenly communication does not mean man may initiate it.

Revelation records a unique prophetic vision. It does not authorize ordinary believers to communicate with departed saints.

I often tire of people evoking a “category error,” but the praying to dead people or asking dead people to pray for us is one.

The bad Romanist syllogism:
Saints in heaven are alive.
Saints in heaven pray.
Saints in heaven may know some earthly things.
Therefore we may pray to them.

But that conclusion does not follow.

The disputed issue is not whether departed saints are alive in Christ. They are.

The disputed issue is not whether departed saints worship and pray. They do.

The disputed issue is not whether God can reveal earthly events to heaven. He can.

The issue is whether Scripture authorizes Christians to address departed saints in prayer and seek their intercession or protection.

No text commands it, no text models it, and several texts warn against religious recourse to the dead. It is bad Roman pagan-syncretic dogma.

I obviously keep a handy Truth guide that is even more helpful that checking subjective “facts.” I keep it ready for copy-pasting into Romanist threads that usually get whacked, so I don’t waste a bunch of time.

Here’s some Truth from my anti-“necromancy” and false-priesthood reference section:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 4:14–16
Seeing then that we have a great high priest... Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities...
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

To keep it balanced, here a list of verses that tell us to pray to dead people:

There’s something about reaching your 50s and realizing most of the idiots broadcasting their stupid opinions are significantly younger and a lot dumber and deluded than you are. It’s liberating. I used to get angry and sad. Now I just ignore or at most roll my eyes.

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No, cuz no matter how good of a day, my stocks stay red.

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I bought MU, ORCL, HUT
, and some chip/AI ETFs in Feb. unfortunately not enough to make any huge difference but can’t complain.

That ain’t no funky reggae party. Yikes. Probably doesn’t smell like Lou Dog either.

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