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re: Quick, healthy snack ideas that aren’t nuts, raw veggies, or fruit?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:46 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:46 am to Big Scrub TX
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For the purposes of satiating inter-meal hunger? I disagree.
Some people only eat 2 meals a day (myself)
Some people eat only once a day, heck some eat every three hours which sounds like the OP. My response was not geared towards him but people reading this thread thinking that oatmeal is an unacceptable food source.
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BigScrub said oatmeal is "unhealthy", which is completely false. That's what we were responding to.
Does it mean to eat it for every meal? Of course not, but it is a healthy food and in the right portions can help you achieve weight loss goals.
He gets it
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:47 am
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:10 am to SabiDojo
quote:No, it is not completely false.
BigScrub said oatmeal is "unhealthy", which is completely false.
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Of course not, but it is a healthy food and in the right portions can help you achieve weight loss goals.
Explicitly, the OP said he has problems with carb cravings and inter-meal satiety. Sorry, but recommending carbs to solve that problem for him is not good advice.
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There are plenty of guys who croak before their 50th birthday and leave behind a beautiful corpse.
Wait, so is it unhealthy or not? What point are you even trying to make? You are more likely to live beyond your 50th birthday if you don't have oatmeal every day.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:18 am to Adam4848
quote:Now we're saying "unacceptable"? All I said is that oatmeal should not be considered to be "healthy". I stand by that. Does that mean it's "unacceptable"? I don't know. I eat unhealthy stuff every day. But the OP EXPLICITLY asked for "healthy snack ideas", while also listing his problems with carbs, satiety and weight loss. Oatmeal fails on the first 2 parameters, which means it likely doesn't serve the 3rd. And this is BEFORE considering any negative health considerations. Just because oatmeal has some micro-nutrients does NOT mean it is overall "healthy".
My response was not geared towards him but people reading this thread thinking that oatmeal is an unacceptable food source.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:29 am to Big Scrub TX
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Explicitly, the OP said he has problems with carb cravings
No he didn't he said sweets, but that doesn't fit your anti-carb narrative. I think most people agree that loading up on carbs is not a good practice, but you're everything but fat is awful and know it all mentality is old. Just be reasonable, all of this all meat and heavy cream is delicious bullshite is annoying.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:35 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:He said that plain yogurt wasn't a good answer because it was too plain without sweeteners. I'd imagine the same critique would apply to oatmeal (which IMO is even more "plain" than yogurt when consumed without any sweeteners).
No he didn't he said sweets, but that doesn't fit your anti-carb narrative.
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but you're everything but fat is awful and know it all mentality is old
Good thing I never said that. Protein is arguably an even better choice than fat. But thanks for making a shiny strawman for you to play with. Perhaps you can string them together in a mobile and bat them around in your crib.
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Just be reasonable, all of this all meat and heavy cream is delicious bullshite is annoying.
So, it's unreasonable to have the opinion that steak and cream are delicious? Yeah, that seems like a reasonable assertion.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
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No, it is not completely false
You're not backing up your statements with any evidence. I've asked you more than once to do so.
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Explicitly, the OP said he has problems with carb cravings and inter-meal satiety. Sorry, but recommending carbs to solve that problem for him is not good advice.
Oatmeal won't sabotage your weight loss goals if it's properly prepared and portioned into your diet.
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Wait, so is it unhealthy or not? What point are you even trying to make? You are more likely to live beyond your 50th birthday if you don't have oatmeal every day.
It IS healthy. My point is that weight loss or being shredded DOES NOT always mean it's HEALTHY. There are guys who are completely yoked and shredded and have poor health.
Weight loss is one thing. Health is a different matter. You said oatmeal isn't healthy. You're wrong.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:15 pm to SabiDojo
Okay the question was asked why is oatmeal (grains) unhealthy. Here are some reasons why. Take or leave it. Eat what you want. Personally, I have not eliminated grains, but I have cut back on them considerably.
Why grains are unhealthy
Why grains are unhealthy
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:51 pm to SabiDojo
I have learned to not even try to argue with them, man. I do my diet my way, it works for me. They can believe what they
This is the key. I eat around 400g of carbs per day. I am in great health and also lean. Everyone's body works differently. I am of the belief that eating whole minimally processed foods is what is best for my health, I eat accordingly.
quote:want.
My point is that weight loss or being shredded DOES NOT always mean it's HEALTHY. There are guys who are completely yoked and shredded and have poor health.
This is the key. I eat around 400g of carbs per day. I am in great health and also lean. Everyone's body works differently. I am of the belief that eating whole minimally processed foods is what is best for my health, I eat accordingly.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:02 pm to thibtigerfan
yes, people's insulin resistance levels are genetically different than others. but the metabolic process itself doesn't vary from person to person.
curious, what is your triglycerides to HDL ratio?
eta: also, (related) when someone asks about losing weight and curbing cravings, that's a totally different question than "can someone eat a ton of carbs and still be healthy and/or skinny."
if OP had the same "natural" insulin sensitivity you do, this thread wouldn't even exist.
the low-carb, high-fat paradigm, to me, is about bucking the "fat is bad, you need carbs" bullshite that has made the population at large...large. Yes, there are outliers. So what?
curious, what is your triglycerides to HDL ratio?
eta: also, (related) when someone asks about losing weight and curbing cravings, that's a totally different question than "can someone eat a ton of carbs and still be healthy and/or skinny."
if OP had the same "natural" insulin sensitivity you do, this thread wouldn't even exist.
the low-carb, high-fat paradigm, to me, is about bucking the "fat is bad, you need carbs" bullshite that has made the population at large...large. Yes, there are outliers. So what?
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:21 pm to SabiDojo
quote:Yes, I did. But anyway. Apart from your body having literally zero requirement for carbs as a macro-nutrient...carbs are bad for you. They contribute to insulin resistance. They cause CVD (and probably cancer and dementia/Alzheimer's). And any requirement for fiber is likely circular at best - i.e. if you aren't eating carbs, then your body doesn't require fiber.
You're not backing up your statements with any evidence. I've asked you more than once to do so.
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Oatmeal won't sabotage your weight loss goals if it's properly prepared and portioned into your diet.
Which is obviously true of literally any food. So where does that leave us? Right back to answering the actual question the OP asked. Which I have. Ad nauseum.
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It IS healthy.
Sorry, but no. Is it 1st order poison that will cause you to drop dead on the spot? Also, no.
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My point is that weight loss or being shredded DOES NOT always mean it's HEALTHY. There are guys who are completely yoked and shredded and have poor health.
Interesting. That's my point too.
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Weight loss is one thing. Health is a different matter. You said oatmeal isn't healthy. You're wrong.
Again, my point too. Except for oatmeal isn't healthy.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:24 pm to thibtigerfan
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I am in great health
I hope so...but how are you measuring this? How young are you? If you keep up 400g of carbs per day in perpetuity, you very well might end up being a thin person who is very unhealthy.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Again, my point too. Except for oatmeal isn't healthy.
Let's get off carbs for a second, what foods in specific do you list as "healthy".
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:53 pm to Adam4848
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Let's get off carbs for a second, what foods in specific do you list as "healthy"
High fat and carbs, it's scientifically proven on Reddit
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
This article was just updated a couple days ago [eta: and again today], from 2016. I'm not sure what's new, but it's a great summary of what my broad point is: lionizing "high quality grains and fiber" and demonizing fat is ill advised:
LINK
Everything coming out these days is pointing toward "highly processed fats" (veggie oil for e.g.) and other high omega-6 to 3 ratio fats (soybean, canola, peanut oils) being very dangerous partners in crime with sugar (in all its forms, which is beyond the scope of the study referenced in this article).
If science beats out gov/"industry"/vegan dogma, then this will all be very common knowledge eventually.
LINK
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"The very high intake of total and saturated fat did not increase the calculated risk of cardiovascular diseases," says professor and cardiologist Ottar Nygård who contributed to the study.
"Participants on the very-high-fat diet also had substantial improvements in several important cardiometabolic risk factors, such as ectopic fat storage, blood pressure, blood lipids (triglycerides), insulin and blood sugar."
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"Future studies should examine which people or patients may need to limit their intake of saturated fat," assistant professor Simon Nitter Dankel points out, who led the study together with the director of the laboratory clinics, professor Gunnar Mellgren, at Haukeland university hospital in Bergen, Norway.
"But the alleged health risks of eating good-quality fats have been greatly exaggerated. It may be more important for public health to encourage reductions in processed flour-based products, highly processed fats and foods with added sugar," he says.
Everything coming out these days is pointing toward "highly processed fats" (veggie oil for e.g.) and other high omega-6 to 3 ratio fats (soybean, canola, peanut oils) being very dangerous partners in crime with sugar (in all its forms, which is beyond the scope of the study referenced in this article).
If science beats out gov/"industry"/vegan dogma, then this will all be very common knowledge eventually.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:01 pm to tommy2tone1999
Not a very good article at all. He knows so little about fiber. He links a study which draws a completely different conclusion than he does.
Here is a better article on fiber.
LINK
Also, he has issues with gluten. Okay. Unprocessed oats are gluten free. Phytic acid? Yes, oats are high in that. How do you neutralize it? It's simple. Apple cidar vinegar, lemon juice, or just soak them overnight and wash them. No different than cooking meat in order to kill bacteria.
Here is a better article on fiber.
LINK
Also, he has issues with gluten. Okay. Unprocessed oats are gluten free. Phytic acid? Yes, oats are high in that. How do you neutralize it? It's simple. Apple cidar vinegar, lemon juice, or just soak them overnight and wash them. No different than cooking meat in order to kill bacteria.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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High fat and carbs, it's scientifically proven on Reddit
why the glibness? Do you really think it's all just made up by Redditors?
I recommend Dr. Malcom Kendrick's blog as a starting point for developing a framework to process all the BS out there. He links studies in every installment and goes into excruciating detail about the applicable science, misconceptions and mysteries regarding CVD (and other diseases).
If you can get through all 46 parts of "What Causes Heart Disease," then I think you'll at least have a good base.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:22 pm to Adam4848
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what foods in specific do you list as "healthy".
Virtually all meats. Most fish. Eggs. Most nuts. Avocadoes. Broccoli. Full fat cheese. Cream. Butter. A variety of oils and fats - tallow, suet, lard, avocado, coconut, ghee, macadamia.
I would put red meat basically at the top of the pile of "health foods".
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:26 pm to McLemore
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I recommend Dr. Malcom Kendrick's blog
To that, I would add:
TUIT Nutrition
Break Nutrition
Zoe Harcombe
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:27 pm to SabiDojo
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Phytic acid? Yes, oats are high in that. How do you neutralize it? It's simple. Apple cidar vinegar, lemon juice, or just soak them overnight and wash them. No different than cooking meat in order to kill bacteria.
You can’t neutralize an acid with another acid.
Vinegar = acetic acid
Lemon Juice = citric acid.
Soaking oatmeal and cooking meat are completely different processes.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:42 pm to tommy2tone1999
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You can’t neutralize an acid with another acid.
Vinegar = acetic acid
Lemon Juice = citric acid.
LINK
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Soaking oatmeal and cooking meat are completely different processes
They are both how you prepare food.
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