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re: Putin’s Invasion Had the Opposite Intended Effect - Russia Now Surrounded by NATO
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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The reason Russia has issues involves its unwillingness to join the modern world and enter into bilateral trade deals that are roughly impact both sides positively equally.
The CIA isn't out there provoking Russia due to bad trade deals
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The New York Times disclosed yesterday that the CIA built "12 Secret Spy Bases" in Ukraine, waging a shadow war against Russia for the past decade.
After a U.S.-supported violent coup toppled Ukraine's democratically elected government, CIA Director John Brennan visited Kyiv in April 2014.
Shortly after, the new Ukrainian government launched an "anti-terror operation" against its Russian-speaking citizens in Eastern Ukraine.
For eight years leading up to Russia's invasion in 2022, Ukraine's government, with help from the CIA, relentlessly bombed Eastern Ukraine.
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:02 am to RFK
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western values.
You keep saying this as if it’s a desirable thing. Are you paying any attention at all to what is going on in Europe?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:05 am to stout
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Didn't reports just come out (not from Russia) that they are economically stronger now than before the invasion?
I think those reports are that they had lots of revenue, but that was selling oil underpriced to India. That's not a sign of economic strength. It's a sign of desperation to fund an expensive war.
Russia's economic model is based in promoting its independence (so it can survive sanctions) and this ends up being quite -EV. Russia isn't very diversified and still primarily relies on petro exports, again, -EV. This is why Russia relies on economic subjugation of its neighbors that it still views as vassal states (like Ukraine).
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:08 am to RFK
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Those of us who served in the military and government when NATO was at its strongest know the value of the alliance.
We don't have allies. Our allies are the frat brother who sleeps on the couch, pays no rent, buys no groceries, and generally contributes absolutely nothing while eating all of the food and drinking all of the beer.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia always returns to their base level of poor, undeveloped, and mocked.
There's a better than not chance that 50 years from now America won't exist as we know it and "poor, undeveloped, and mocked" might just be preferable.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:14 am to stout
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The CIA isn't out there provoking Russia due to bad trade deals
The CIA/Europe literally responded to Russia interfering with Ukrainian trade deals in November 2013
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:15 am to RFK
quote:You should to check a map.
NATO is now completely staged along Russia’s western border.
Then check history books re: military routes to past Russian invasions.
FWIW, the Russo-Finnish Taiga and water bodies render the Karelian Isthmus nearly impassable for a large army. Very different from the Ukrainian plains.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:15 am to TigerFanatic99
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There's a better than not chance that 50 years from now America won't exist as we know it and "poor, undeveloped, and mocked" might just be preferable
Sure, our collapses would cause the world (including Russia) to revert to the living standards of probably the 16th or 17th centuries.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:17 am to RFK
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I believe this will allow America and western values to prosper for years to come.
You think what's going on in Europe represents America values???
You must be getting paid to say this shite.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:20 am to RFK
You really must be special Ed or at the very least legit pedo.
Hanging your hat on “western values” in 2024 isn’t something I’d build a platform on.
What part of current western values and initiatives do you love?
Grooming?
Pedo protection?
Open borders?
Free speech only if you speak what they want you to
It’s the exact opposite of what I believe in and what used to be American / Western Values.
We’ve been hikacked & your running around acting like it’s a good thing. Hope your at least registered as a sec offender
Hanging your hat on “western values” in 2024 isn’t something I’d build a platform on.
What part of current western values and initiatives do you love?
Grooming?
Pedo protection?
Open borders?
Free speech only if you speak what they want you to
It’s the exact opposite of what I believe in and what used to be American / Western Values.
We’ve been hikacked & your running around acting like it’s a good thing. Hope your at least registered as a sec offender
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:20 am to SloaneRanger
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You keep saying this as if it’s a desirable thing. Are you paying any attention at all to what is going on in Europe?
Definitely preferable to anything approaching a Slavic way of doing business, working in the public sector, donating time and money.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:25 am to East Coast Band
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What kind of support will Finland offer?
Sweden and Finland have two of the better militaries in Europe, with domestic defense industries.
I’d rather bitch about Luxembourg, or Germany’s embarrassing armed forces for that matter.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think those reports are that they had lots of revenue, but that was selling oil underpriced to India. That's not a sign of economic strength. It's a sign of desperation to fund an expensive war.
That's not the reports I've read or heard.
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How has Russia evaded sanctions?
President Vladimir Putin has claimed European sanctions have done Russia no harm, saying: "We have growth, and they have decline."
Russia has managed to sell oil abroad for more than the G7's price cap, according to the Atlantic Council, a US think tank. It says a "shadow fleet" of about 1,000 tankers is used to ship it.
The International Energy Agency says Russia is still exporting 8.3 million barrels of oil a day - having increased supplies to India and China.
Russia is also able to import many sanctioned Western goods by buying them through countries such as Georgia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, according to researchers at King's College London.
China has been a vital supplier of alternative hi-tech products to those produced in the West, says Dr Maria Snegovaya from the US think tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
"China sells it chips and other components it needs to for keep its military production going," she says. "Russia wouldn't be able to pull that off without China's help."
Russian oil getting into UK via refinery loophole
What support is China giving Russia?
What impact have sanctions had on Russia's economy?
In 2022, the first year of the war, Russia's economy shrank by 2.1%, according to the International Monetary Fund.
However, it estimates that Russia's economy grew by 2.2% in 2023 and predicts growth of 1.1% in 2024.
Nevertheless, the US Treasury claims sanctions are damaging Russia, having cut 5% from the economic growth it might have had over the past two years.
But Dr Snegovaya suggests: "Sanctions have not made waging this war sufficiently costly for Russia, and that means it can continue with it for some time to come".
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:28 am to stout
If Russia or China had even one spy base on the Mexican border, we would have gone to war over it. Admitting to a dozen is off the charts. That NYT article 100% justified the invasion.
Also, Putin was more succinct in an interview a week or two ago than the Tucker interview.
Also, Putin was more succinct in an interview a week or two ago than the Tucker interview.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 7:40 am
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:30 am to RFK
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How so? A difference in political opinion should be welcome in a free society, not suppressed.
Nobody is asking to that you be banned. They are pointing out you fled a thread you started where you made a fool of yourself.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:33 am to stout
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It's ridiculous to keep poking Russia like we are then getting mad when they poke back especially when we would invade Mexico with the quickness if roles were reversed.
Does NATO have a recent history of invading countries?
Because Russia does.
Your analogy falls apart quickly, there.
To confuse a defense position reacting to an aggressive neighbor with an offensive position is laughable.
You don't have to take the Russian talking points, literally. They are mostly lies.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:36 am to RFK
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Russia Now Surrounded by NATO
You seem to have a very different definition of the word "surrounded" than the rest of the world.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:37 am to RFK
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.... that will cut off Russia even more from the west and western values.
I really do not believe, at all, Russia is enamored with "western" values. Besides, since 862 AD, Russia has been Russian.
"Russia (has) immeasurable resource wealth on which its current great power status is based." Could this be what motivates NATO?
"In the coming decades, Moscow's top imperatives include securing a buffer space along its borders ....; changing or weakening Western policies toward Russia; ensuring political cohesion by avoiding domestic reform; avoiding diplomatic and economic isolation; and finally, managing Russia's demographic decline."
"Moscow will remain focused on Ukraine, Belarus and its western flank. It will devote a large portion of its budget to defense spending to ensure it has the military power needed to secure sufficient buffer space in Ukraine and neuter Kyiv's development and integration with the West. Maintaining the credibility of the threat of renewed aggression against Ukraine will remain one of Russia's primary sources of leverage vis-a-vis Kyiv and the West."
"Russia (is) far less ethnically diverse than it was 100 years ago or even at the time of the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991, as ethnic Russians constitute a larger share of the population in key regions. This means that there are few clear ethnic and geographic fault lines along which Russia could break apart."
Frig NATO!!
Quit Poking The Bear!!
Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:41 am to RFK
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will cut off Russia even more from the west and western values
Americans who have been there recently said it reminds them of 1950's U.S. I'm sure they are missing out on tranny fever and white trash/ghetto culture. Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:41 am to lake chuck fan
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That's not the reports I've read or heard.
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The price cap imposed by the Group of Seven countries, the European Union and Australia bans the use of Western maritime services such as insurance, flagging and transportation when tankers carry Russian oil priced at or above $60 a barrel. The West imposed the mechanism after Russia's February, 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
The discount for Russian Urals to the Brent has widened from about $13 a barrel in October to about $18.50 a barrel now, the official said.
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Proceeds from oil and gas sales for Russia's federal budget fell by about 24% to 8.822 trillion roubles ($99.4 billion) last year, Russian finance ministry data showed on Thursday, following weaker oil prices and reduced gas sales to Europe.
Putin has intentionally thwarted the Russian economy for years to create a buffer for sanctions. They can survive the war because they built their economy around accumulating large reserves and, dare I say, it, engaging in "Russia First' economic policies to focus on domestic production. It's made their country a shithole economically but has provided the way to absorb these losses (like selling oil for a discount) in the short term.
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