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re: Why DeBoer is a sketchy hire
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:26 am to SaintInBham
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:26 am to SaintInBham
quote:
Did you read the list of those 104 wins before you posted this?
His record is his record. Sure he was in NAIA but his team beat them other NAIA teams. I wouldn’t just dismiss it.
That said, as an LSU fan this hire doesn’t worry me. Bama will still
Be good but they won’t be the machine they were for the last 17 years.
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:36 am to mattz1122
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For three years
Has he been to the natty like DeBoer?
Not to mention DeBoer beat Lanning twice this year
DoBoer is 3-0 against Lanning. He's a much better coach.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:49 am to Handsome Pete
It's not sketchy at all. It's a great hire and the cope on here is so pathetic.
Bama is still going to be very good, not Saban dominance good but very good.
Time to stop with these sad copes.
Bama is still going to be very good, not Saban dominance good but very good.
Time to stop with these sad copes.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:53 am to Tarheel Tiger
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All these comments about Saban still being in the building and looking over his shoulder remind me that Saban will be guiding new coach on things like recruiting, staffing, etc. Saban still gonna be involved at BAMA.
Correct. It only ensures Saban will make it easy for DeBoer to keep the Bama machine running. People are delusional if they think Bama is going anywhere. It's pure pathetic coping and it's sad.
Why wouldn't you want to beat the best? LSU fans were subdued by the Saban years and developed some sort of Stockholm syndrome.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:10 am to Volvagia
I think everyone gives DeBoer credit for his accomplishments but he is moving to arguably the biggest and highest expectations in the dynasty that Saban has created. When you put him to that standard his resume and “skins on the wall” he is unimpressive. With that said he may be a solid and future goat but is far from that and below what many expected from Bama.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:24 am to Srbtiger06
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show me the guys that made the jump from FCS to FBS and has success.
Off the top of my head, Tressel, Paul Johnson, Klieman, Fritz, BK from D2, Harbaugh from D2, Leipold from D3.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:35 am to Handsome Pete
This thread has become tiresome, but I'll point out that on his podcast with Bruce Feldman today Stewart Mandel said the exact same thing I did in my OP - if DeBoer loses against Oregon (one game!) he would not have been considered for the Alabama job. That's the razor's edge upon which Alabama has staked his future. A program like theirs shouldn't have to gamble. USC didn't. LSU didn't.
ETA link : The Audible with Stew and Bruce
ETA link : The Audible with Stew and Bruce
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:47 am to Handsome Pete
You keep bringing up Brian Kelly & Lincoln Riley when neither one of them has accomplished what Kalen DeBoer has in the last two years.
Your argument is what's sketchy here.
Your argument is what's sketchy here.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 9:57 am to AlterDWI
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You keep bringing up Brian Kelly & Lincoln Riley when neither one of them has accomplished what Kalen DeBoer has in the last two years.
Your argument is what's sketchy here.
I'm not talking about the last two years. I'm talking about what they had accomplished when they were hired: Multiple years of high-level success at an elite program. Multiple playoff and championship appearances all done with different coordinators and different quarterbacks. LSU and USC stole established premier head coaches, Alabama hired the most recent hot name. He may be great, but he's a bigger gamble than Alabama needed to take.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:26 am to Handsome Pete
I'm not going to sit here & make the same case a dozen other people have in this thread.
Yes, Deboer is a gamble, but given the available options, it makes sense to hire the guy who was coaching in the NCG this week.
Yes, Deboer is a gamble, but given the available options, it makes sense to hire the guy who was coaching in the NCG this week.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:29 am to Handsome Pete
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but he's a bigger gamble than Alabama needed to take.
Big James Franklin fan?
Has Franklin even been to the playoffs?
I want to hear these mythical superior options with more success.
I mean KD even has had more success than Lanning and Sark (who I might add, both only had success with their own transfer QBs, so that argument is moot) with H2H dominance over both
ETA : remove the guys who either declined or won't leave...Kirby, Dabo, Kelly, Riley, Day, Sark, Lanning...who even has a playoff appearance to get in the conversation? Fickell? Dykes?
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:36 am to AlterDWI
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You keep bringing up Brian Kelly & Lincoln Riley when neither one of them has accomplished what Kalen DeBoer has in the last two years.
Kelly took Notre Dame to the championship game and lost just like Deboer did. He also made the playoffs another time.
What are you talking about?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
I guess he wanted Bama to hire Mack Brown instead of a guy who goes to NC in year two - something Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, & Jim Harbaugh couldn't do.
ETA: Kirby did go to NC in year two
ETA: Kirby did go to NC in year two
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:41 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Kelly took Notre Dame to the championship game and lost just like Deboer did. He also made the playoffs another time.
What are you talking about?
Well to be fair, does Kelly have a playoff win?
Some could argue that.
I don't think Kelly belongs in this conversation because he's in the "not leaving his situation" group
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:57 am to Handsome Pete
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Did we know Lincoln Riley was available when USC poached him? Did we know BK was an option when LSU stole him from a team in contention for the playoff? Those are the kind of hires I expected from Alabama.
That’s the difference between having an opening at the end of the regular season in Nov and after the bowls in Jan.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:07 am to Handsome Pete
That’s all you got?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:08 am to Handsome Pete
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You think I'm wrong? DeBoer loses to Oregon and Washington is not in playoff - is he still considered for Alabama job? Be honest.
Maybe, but winning games matter.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:27 am to Scoob
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We're talking ALABAMA here; there's really nobody that they should consider off-limits. You identify the guy you want, make the call, and stay on him until he says yes.
I see it the other way around. Bama isn't a job you should have to convince a coach to take, especially since they are still loaded. If Lanning had reservations, that says more about him than Bama. I'd move on to the next, I wouldn't want anyone that has to be wooed into taking that job.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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ETA : remove the guys who either declined or won't leave...Kirby, Dabo, Kelly, Riley, Day, Sark, Lanning...who even has a playoff appearance to get in the conversation? Fickell? Dykes?
One last time, my point is that Lincoln Riley and BK would've been on this list when they were hired anyway by AD's and programs that would not take no for an answer and just upped the offer until they got their man.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 11:36 am to H-Town Tiger
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Did we know Lincoln Riley was available when USC poached him? Did we know BK was an option when LSU stole him from a team in contention for the playoff? Those are the kind of hires I expected from Alabama.
quote:
That’s the difference between having an opening at the end of the regular season in Nov and after the bowls in Jan.
This is an excellent point. I remember when Saban left us for the Dolphins in January as well. That dude has crap timing.
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