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re: Why DeBoer is a sketchy hire
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:31 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:31 pm to Volvagia
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So basically, what you are saying is that even though LSU had similar record in the time period, similar toxic cultures that needed cleaning, Brian Kelly doesn’t really deserve credit for the turnaround because hey, they dominantly won a title before all that.
What I’m saying is you are being knee jerk.
They had one singular poor season in which they fired their coach midway through for a sideline incident.
This wasn’t some massive rebuild
He had a full roster
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:32 pm to BuckyCheese
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Anyone with eyes could see Penix was good.
Based on what? Certainly not his performance at Indiana
Yeah he had injuries, but his last 2 years at Indiana he couldn't even hit a 60% completion rate or 8 ypa
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Pennix was literally a nothingburger prior to his time at WAS.
This isn’t true at all.
Also it’s “Penix”
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:32 pm to BuckyCheese
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Anyone with eyes could see Penix was good. I'll just take a wild guess and say you never watched an Indiana game.
Yeah when I saw Washington last year I was “oh that’s the qb that brought Indiana out of irrelevance”
Funny that IU had a better season AFTER deboer left
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:35 pm to DallasTiger11
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This isn’t true at all.
A QB who never threw for 2k in the Big10 was never some heralded transfer. And yeah you can say that's due to injuries, but look at his completion rate and ypa his final 2 years. Neither are anything to behold.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:38 pm to Adam Banks
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Funny that IU had a better season AFTER deboer left
In the first real season after he left, they went 2-10 and 0-9 in conference
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
So you seem to count the Covid year when you say the Washington program was “dying” but don’t count it when Indiana finished the season number 12 in the country and Michael penix was second team all big ten
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:44 pm to Handsome Pete
If it’s such a Sketchy hire then that’s a good thing for the rest of us. But it kinda seems like you’re trying to talk yourself into believing it. I hope he falls on his face and bama suffers 30 years of irrelevancy but sadly I doubt that’s the case.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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If it’s such a Sketchy hire then that’s a good thing for the rest of us. But it kinda seems like you’re trying to talk yourself into believing it. I hope he falls on his face and bama suffers 30 years of irrelevancy but sadly I doubt that’s the case.
As I said on the MSB, he's by far the most polar of the choices. He has the highest ceiling of anyone but may buck to the pressure/expectations.
I don't think he's an Urban-type..yet. If the Bama fanbase can give him a few years to make mistakes and develop/learn, they could have another 10+ year monster program. In terms of coaching/scheming/intelligence, he's about as elite as you can get in college. He just has to understand elite recruiting.
Brian Kelly is going through a similar process (with much more experience as a HC) right now.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Based on what? Certainly not his performance at Indiana
Like I said; You've never watched a game.
Putz.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:53 pm to BuckyCheese
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Like I said; You've never watched a game.
I actually did see a game or 2 of him while at Indiana during the Big10 early games, but that's irrelevant.
I can read a stat line. His were not that good. Not bad, but not really good.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I actually did see a game or 2 of him while at Indiana during the Big10 early games, but that's irrelevant. I can read a stat line. His were not that good. Not bad, but not really good.
He was the second best qb in the second best conference when the first team all conference qb was the number 11 pick in the nfl draft. This was when his OC was not Deboer btw. Penix was their team. When he was hurt they were terrible
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:57 pm to Adam Banks
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They had one singular poor season in which they fired their coach midway through for a sideline incident.
8-5 in between isn’t poor, but it’s right on the cusp and it kills the disingenuous position you are now attempting to imply that there was a “singular” season of seperation between past high level of success and what DeBoer did.
Next you gonna explain away that season too.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:00 pm to Adam Banks
That says more about Big10 QBs than anything about Penix
Go look at the murderer's row of QBs that year
Sean Clifford
Peyton Ramsey
Spencer Petras
Tanner Morgan
Noah Vedral
Graham Mertz
Rocky Lombardi
Joe Milton
Adrian Martinez
Go look at the murderer's row of QBs that year
Sean Clifford
Peyton Ramsey
Spencer Petras
Tanner Morgan
Noah Vedral
Graham Mertz
Rocky Lombardi
Joe Milton
Adrian Martinez
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:04 pm to Adam Banks
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Penix was their team. When he was hurt they were terrible
Yep. Penix leaving cost Tom Allen his job two years later.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Die on this hill.
Everyone is laughing at you.
Everyone is laughing at you.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:05 pm to Volvagia
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8-5 in between isn’t poor,
It certainly ain’t trash. 21-10 with a rose bowl Las Vegas bowl and two pac ten division championships in the three years prior to the Lake firing season. The only losing season they have had since 2009 and like I said he was suspended and then fired mid season
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:07 pm to BuckyCheese
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Die on this hill.
Everyone is laughing at you.
Naw. Y'all sound silly like the people who tried to pump up Penix right before the title game as some historic QB.
He was really good under KD at WAS, but he was just OK otherwise.
Unless you're telling me he's the greatest QB in CFB history to never throw for 2k yards in a season (which was his level at IU), but then that would ignore Tommie Frazier, so I don't think people would agree with you.
I'll say this: he's better than Bo Nix.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
And a QB that looked pretty bad when he played a B10 D in the final game! Bottomline, it appears he played crappy anytime he faced a decent D?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Unless you're telling me he's the greatest QB in CFB history to never throw for 2k yards in a season (which was his level at IU)
He threw for 1645 yards in 6 games (cut short by acl tear) Stop being disingenuous by acting like he didn’t hit 2k yards in a 12 game season.
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