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re: Witnesses outside school begged officers to go inside while shooting going on
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:03 am to TideHater
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:03 am to TideHater
This is why it is so important for citizens to be armed. You are your first line of defense and more than likely only defense. Remember the church shooting in Texas where the neighbor pulled out his AR 15 and began shooting at the perpetrator long before police arrived.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:04 am to SOSFAN
quote:
What if the 2nd shooter had hostages or was waiting for first responders to rush in? In retrospect I wished they would have killed the bastard from the start but blaming police is not where our hatred should be
How many school hostage situations that start off by killing a classroom full of students and their teacher have there been?
Nobody is hating the police. Why are you going on like that - like some of us in this thread are confused about the culpability of the shooter?
We're being critical of the police in how they responded to this shooting and suggesting that collecting intelligence and "hanging back" should not be the appropriate response to hearing 100 rounds being fired in a classroom.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:06 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Witnesses outside school begged officers to go inside while shooting going on
If this is true then these cops should be outed as cowards
I don't care what your orders are, if someone is killing children you act
If all you accomplish is the shooter is focused trading rounds with you as opposed to shooting kids it's a win
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:08 am to TideHater
quote:and yet they frequently take in on themselves to pump unarmed suspects full of lead at the slightest provocation, then claim they feared for their personal safety
Police patrolmen are not trained to rush into a live fire situation. They are trained to set up and contain the situation until a higher authority makes a decision.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:09 am to TideHater
quote:
does not end well.
That is what they signed up for. Protect and Serve.
If your kid was in there, would you rush in, especially if you had a weapon?
It appears that answer is probably no in your situation.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:10 am to TideHater
quote:
Police patrolmen are not trained to rush into a live fire situation. They are trained to set up and contain the situation until a higher authority makes a decision.
That used to be the case, but it isn't anymore. If there's an active shooter, we're supposed to make entry, hunt that person down, and kill them. We don't ask permission from a supervisor. We simply tell dispatch that we're making entry and go.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:10 am to deathvalleytiger10
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If your kid was in there, would you rush in, especially if you had a weapon?
It appears that answer is probably no in your situation.
fricking cowards
Cowardice should be shamed and ostracized on the level of child abuser
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:11 am to FearlessFreep
Absolutely false. Have you been thru law enforcement Active Shooter training?
If you have you would know you are trained to run to the sound of gunfire to stop the murder in progress.
If you have you would know you are trained to run to the sound of gunfire to stop the murder in progress.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:11 am to David_DJS
quote:
LINK ]
[quote]We're being critical of the police in how they responded to this shooting and suggesting that collecting intelligence and "hanging back" should not be the appropriate response to hearing 100 rounds being fired in a classroom.
I was wrong... period.
The 1st link is to a CNN story ( sorry I used CNN but for once it was a decent article,).
I was wrong... period.
After reading that article there needs to be quite a few firings today
I have no problem standing up and saying I was wrong.
In fact after reading the article I'm pissed how everything went down.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:11 am to JColtF
How many children BLED TO DEATH???
Chicken shite Police. No smoke bombs, no tear gas, no nothing. Just wait till everyone is dead and bullets are gone.
Chicken shite Police.
Real Heros would have risked their lives without hesitation.
So keep your guns. If your family is in need you may need to rush in with guns blazing. They won't risk their lives.
Chicken shite Police. No smoke bombs, no tear gas, no nothing. Just wait till everyone is dead and bullets are gone.
Chicken shite Police.
Real Heros would have risked their lives without hesitation.
So keep your guns. If your family is in need you may need to rush in with guns blazing. They won't risk their lives.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:13 am to FearlessFreep
quote:
frequently take in on themselves to pump unarmed suspects full of lead at the slightest provocation
No, they don’t. There’s statistically very few deaths of unarmed suspects who are shot without provocation. Well over 99% killed by police were armed and/or actively physical assaulting police.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:13 am to SOSFAN
quote:What if little green men were filling the halls with poisonous sugerplumfaries?
What if the 2nd shooter
There was a 911 call placed from the Grandmother's residence. Ramos was ID'd as a single shooter.
Neighbors witnessed Ramos steal, then wreck his GMs vehicle. That spurred a second 911 call from a resident who said the driver apparently had a rifle and was heading to the school. No second shooter there.
The scumbag then exchanged gunfire with a couple of cops. No second shooter ID'd at that point either.
Cops had that information as they arrived. If it turns out they did leave the POS unfettered to murder kids and teachers in the school for an hour, there is no excuse whatsoever for that. None!
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:14 am to Tantal
quote:
If there's an active shooter, we're supposed to make entry, hunt that person down, and kill them. We don't ask permission from a supervisor. We simply tell dispatch that we're making entry and go.
The two keys words that should define any situation taking place where a shooting is taking place.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:17 am to SOSFAN
quote:
The 1st link is to a CNN story
Good Lord man.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:18 am to NC_Tigah
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leave the POS unfettered to murder kids and teachers in the school for an hour, there is no excuse whatsoever for that. None!
You're correct and after reading that they are now trained to rush in and stop the shooter every last one of them should be unemployed today.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:20 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Good Lord man.
I know man. My phone probably has a virus from going to their site. However their article pretty much nails the officers lack of doing anything to the wall.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:21 am to TideHater
quote:That question was answered before cops even arrived on the scene. Single shooter. They even had his name. It would have been immediately verified by witnesses at the location, including cops who had exchanged fire with the murderer.
Are there multiple shooters?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:23 am to SOSFAN
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every last one of them should be unemployed today.
They’d only get reinstated with back pay two years later.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:24 am to the808bass
quote:ok, I probably misused the word “frequently”.
There’s statistically very few deaths of unarmed suspects who are shot without provocation. Well over 99% killed by police were armed and/or actively physical assaulting police.
It happens about as often as there are active shooter situations like this one, which are also pretty rare.
My point was, there have been numerous times over the years where an LEO or group of LEOs uses inappropriate force out of fear of their own personal safety. And yet situations like Uvalde or Parkland still occur, where multiple LEOs sit outside an listen as an active shooter piles up bodies while they “wait for orders”.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:24 am to FearlessFreep
We’re a weak nation of weak people.
The pussification of America is real.
The pussification of America is real.
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